Corporal Punishment Should Be Reintroduced

In a survey completed by the Times Educational supplement (1), 6000 teachers were questioned. One in five believed that class room behaviour had deteriorated since the abolition of corporal punishment and they believed the education system would improve with the re-introduction of corporal punishment. We should adhere to the teachers requests.

(1) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/education/3123827/Teachers-Bring-back-the-cane-to-restore-order-in-schools.html

Old Corp

frustrated and afraid i grow
our society in decline
discipline, personal responsibility
only few adhere to

how far must the pendulum swing
is this when, enough is enough!

learn we must from past misfortunes
our elders abused and taken for,
those locked rooms, monsters behind unchecked
horrors lived, compassion grow-ed, forced upon;
Justly! the Corporal dishonourably discharged

now! today—————————— legacy apparent
our youth growing without
the Corporals watchful eye-
time outs, detention
stars to earn…
all to worry bout! ! !
much we have learnt
evidence mounting…

remember or imagine
for those who never felt,
the Corporals hovering hand on watch;
lol…one weighed up quick smart
if sacrifice was worth, old Corps loving touch-
and we did, at that young age
decide to take ‘one’ for a noble course
consequence learned, schooled was i

steered by our negligence/wisdom!
our impressionable youth out of balance-
drowning em in compassion
we’ve got it ass bout
before grow-ed, before ‘it’ earned

see our youth-lost
initiated wanting
self inflicted search, a cry for help
mans hammerer of fate hovering?
too late, when crashes

short life lost knowing no consequences
short life lost…when schooled on streets
long life…serving, consequence learned

the Pendulum out of control
risking destruction

come!!!
let us stand up! let us unite-
rein list the Corporal…
reinvent the old bastard… our future begs!
learn we must,
modern twist for age old teach

Utopia do we live?
Jails still exist, war still wages
are we so arrogrant…

stop preaching, they have to make their own mistakes
we must show wisdom to aid in this!
give them the tools for this journey..

RPL our children/invest in the future

when coming of age, when the chemicals hit, natural or manmade
Old Corp’s training just might save that youth from the daily horrors/ challenges of our society

civilised or uncivilised
please define!

at a loss i am…

It is inevitable that bad classroom behaviour will filter into life outside school. You only have to look at the crime statistics to see that crime has increased dramatically since the abolition of corporal punishment. Between 1981, when corporal punishment was legal and in 1997, after the abolition of corporal punishment, there was a 67% increase in crime (1).

(1)http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/digest4/chapter1.pdf

Additionally, the U.K.’s banning of corporal punishment is not attached to a propaganda website called nospanking.com and portrays a more convincing argument for reintroducing corporal punishment since it clearly documents crime statistics before and after the abolition of corporal punishment in schools. On the other hand, the opposing argument contradicts itself. How can you refute that the abolition of corporal punishment has not led to an increase in crime because of varying factors when the case that you cite to support your argument is so biased and overlooks a large number of factors- such as poverty, drop outs, consistent use of paddling, perceived fairness of paddling, credible or qualified teachers, etc. How can you realistically argue against a corporal punishment that has successfully been used for thousands of years in home and without to discipline children? It’s worked for all this time and managed to create fairly decent, responsible human beings without traumatizing them.

Pro-Spanking Research:

A study published in the Akron Law Review in 2009 examined criminal records and found that children raised where a legal ban on parental corporal punishment is in effect are much more likely to be involved in crime.

For example, in Sweden “enlightened” parenting seems to have produced increased violence later. “Swedish teen violence skyrocketed in the early 1990s, when children that had grown up entirely under the spanking ban first became teenagers,” Fuller noted. “Preadolescents and teenagers under fifteen started becoming even more violent toward their peers. By 1994, the number of youth criminal assaults had increased by six times the 1984 rate.”
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Margaret Gunnoe in 1997 published work showing that customary spanking reduced aggression, but it went largely unnoticed by the media because it contradicted mainstream opinion. Of course, we all know that aggression is often the main culprit in violent crime.
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Dr. Diana Baumrind of the University of California, Berkeley also found that children who were never spanked tended to have behavioral problems, and were not more competent than their peers. This supports the view that banning spanking would lead to an increase in crime.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/spanking-studies-children-spock/2010/01/07/id/345669

In the family, there once was a strong male figure that children would fear. However, with the increase in single parent families, often consisting of a mother, that figure has gone. Children fear nothing these days and the reintroduction of corporal punishment would give them some fear and this would curb disruptive behaviour in the classroom.

A woman cannot realistically be both mother and father no matter how hard she may try. Children also realize this and a lot of their acting out is because they feel neglected by their fathers. It is not sexist to consider the importance both sets of parents play in a child’s development. Just like a father cannot be a mother to his kids neither can you expect a mother to be a father to her kids. Catering to one role is hard enough as it is.

It is all well and good those on the sidelines saying that giving children a small wrap on the knuckles is morally outrageous but they are not the ones who witness appalling behaviour in the classroom.

If you ask the teachers, those on the front line of disruptive students, a recurring comment is that with corporal punishment off the agenda, there are no sanctions available to teachers for the most stubborn of terrors!

Children’s behaviour has been adversely affected by the rights culture we have in Britain. A teacher cannot threaten a detention, something they are allowed to do, without the retort of “but you can’t take away my freedom”, “you have no right” or “I have rights”. In fact children are acutely aware of how much power they have over the teachers by way of laws and rights, and they use every opportunity to remind the teachers of that fact. If we re-introduced corporal punishment this back chat would cease and the power would be retained by the teachers.

And detention is not going to be taken seriously by anyone. What does detention do other than waste your time? If you have ADHD or a creative mind you’ll have a blast, effectively learning nothing to correct your behavior. If this is the only effective authority a teacher has for an out of control student then that teacher is and probably knows his/her authority is rather pitiful.

There is a real feeling amongst those who are bullied that telling the teacher will worsen the problem, not make it better. Victims of bullying fear repercussions. However, if there was a system of corporal punishment behind the teachers, then something could be done which would scare the bullies out of their bullying ways. This would open bully victims up as they would discuss bullying issues with teachers knowing that something definitive could be done.

If a child thinks it’s okay to hit because a teacher or adult uses corporal punishment then that child is slow and fails to realize the purpose and meaning behind such an action. Besides a good and effective teacher is not going to use corporal punishment all the time, but as a last resort when all else fails. A threat is no good unless there is some fearful truth behind it.

Also, teachers are only ignorant to bullying matters because they know they cannot realistically do much to stop it. So in effect, bullying has gotten a lot meaner.

This is a personal view, but I am sure if the cane had been retained in schools the obscene and violent behaviour that too many young peope engage in would not take place today if that behaviour had resulted inthem being punished

A exclusion or an asbo is seen as a badge of honour no threat

Are teachers not accountable?

Corporal punishment is the most effective way of maintaining school discipline and dealing with juvenile crime.

I went to an inner city co-educational primary school in an industrial area during the late 1950s/early 1960s. Academic standards were high. Between 30% and 35% of its pupils passed the 11+ and went to grammar school.

Discipline was strict. The headmistress caned or slippered boys and girls on the bottom. Corporal punishment was used for minor infringements of rules, for deliberate defiance and to prevent prosecution for criminal offences. It was more of a deterrent for girls than it was for boys who were always challenging authority and getting into mischief. I and three other boys received “six of the best” for disrupting lessons and refusing to do homework. Not wanting to be caned again, we settled down, worked hard and passed the 11+.

The school’s major disciplinary problems were caused by ten and eleven year old C stream pupils who lived on a new council housing estate At the beginning of the autumn term, the boys organised playground protection rackets. Some carried flick knives or knuckledusters given to them by elder brothers who had been in prison or borstal. One teacher was attacked with a broken bottle. Although uninjured, he had a nervous breakdown and was away from school for two terms. Girls had jam and marmalade rubbed into their hair. Both boys and girls had their clothes slashed with flick knives.

Classrooms were vandalised and on two occasions boys were caught setting fire to coats in the cloakroom. At the time children as young as seven could be prosecuted and sent to approved school. The head was put under great pressure by the staff and the local authority to involve the police in these incidents but she always refused. Unlike many head teachers, she accepted responsibility for her pupils’ behaviour out of school hours. Most weekends she was called to the police station to deal with girls caught shoplifting and boys arrested for assault or vandalism. Often the only way she could persuade the victim to withdraw the charges was to agree to cane the delinquents and the punishments were carried out at school with parental consent.

Using corporal punishment efficiently and effectively, she kept the members of the school’s criminal fraternity out of the justice system giving them a chance to escape from their back grounds and make something of their lives. One boy who was caned for vandalism obtained a degree in engineering. Another who had been whacked for rubbing marmalade into a girl’s hair went to university and graduated with a degree in economics.

Because Dr. Phil is such an expert I guess his expertise is wiser than our ancestors and our elders who have effectively used corporal punishment to discipline their children- our parents and grandparents even. If we were to listen to them they would tell us that corporal punishment is not for everybody because some children can be settled with a reprimand and disapproving look. That being said, they would still rely on the expediency of the cane because all some of these bad kids need is a good spanking.

I believe in Corporal Punishment. It is very effective. Yes, it is true that some Principals go way overboard using too much force to where kids get broken bones and sent to the hospital. But when I was paddled, it hurt, and there was trust and respect for the principal that I had. My parents allowed the principal to paddle me. I only was paddled one time. I was a very good kid in school. I am in my 30’s and still haven’t been in trouble. The paddle was what saved me from doing wrong. I only wish that we could use paddling in our court system too and for adults who do minor things instead of going to jail. It would be 5 swats per buttock, male or female. Or why not have a robo spanker, which lasts up to 15 minutes and spanks you until your 15 minutes are up.? That is a great idea. I would rather have a sting to my butt for a few days than be in jail. The economy is hurting. The Robo spanker locks your wrists in place you are bent down on a table, and whatever the judge decides on how hard/fast he wants the paddle to swat you would be his choice. In 15 minutes, you will think twice on committing another crime.

You need to cite facts before attributing corporal punishment to gangs and terrorism. Also, try seeing how you’d react if you did something bad and were spanked by the person you admire and love- the one person you try to impress and one of the few you respect. Not only would you cry because of brief pain, but you would cry from shock and shame. You, who thought you were above reprimand or reproof had to be corrected by your honored love one. If that does not prevent you from repeating the unmentionable act then at least you know that when you’re rotting in jail you had your chance to straighten up- either that or you’re a sociopath.

Breaking a rule at school resulted in corporal punishment being administered. We were caned, and that was that. No offence was either intended or taken. So, we learned to respect the rules, customs and norms of our society.

Kids are not going to go up against their parents after being subjugated to corporal punishment. Also, it is perfectly natural for kids to become rebellious when they reach a certain age. The buck stops when that kid has reached that age and has learned nothing. When that adolescent gets big enough to try and go up against his/her parents- then that child is no longer a child and needs to leave the protection and shelter of his parents and make his own.

Assuming the person punishing knows exactly what they are doing and knows how to control themself, there should be no problem with Corporal Punishment at all, the rules of Corporal Punishment would need to be altered, obviously.

Because as they are they could hurt the child,
But if altered it would be perfectly reasonable to administer corporal punishment

I would say speak for yourself, or at least what you know. If the majority of administered corporal punishment was done incorrectly then the history of child protective services would be a whole lot more radical. Corporal punishment has been used by a majority of households and education centers for thousands of years until very recently. There will always be those who abuse the system, but that does not mean the system does not work. Now that society- at least Western society is claiming to be so much better, or wiser than previous societies then at least it can come up with a more regulated and consistent implementation of such a practice.

today boys and girls ignore the consequences of their behavior . They underestimate their responsabilties.Especially when they are teens. A lot of bad accident ,alcoolism, unexpected pregnancy , etc… would be avoid if a strict sentence (i.e. cp) for misbehavior had been far earlier decided and operated . Anticipation, a kind of humiliation and pain are ingredients easy to undrestand….

Many countries out-lawed homosexuality, female workers and abortions, but this does not mean that all of those countries were correct to do so. It only means that these countries were in agreement against something, it does not mean that what they were all advocating was logical or reasonable.

The amount of countries that do or do not have corporal punishment out lawed has no bearing on this debate.

Yet have any of these countries provided effective supports to parents in helping them discipline and punish out-of-control children? They tell parents that corporal punishment in wrong, but when their child acts out or gets in trouble with the law, they blame the parents. Is that fair? If they want to outlaw corporal punishment then they need to provide supports that are just as effective in deterrence as corporal punishment for parents and teachers to use. Since they have not (other than waging a war on kids with zero-tolerance laws and imprisonment) then what right do they have over how a parent disciplines his/her child or wants his/her child to be disciplined by teachers? The only thing I can agree on is providing regulatory law like Section 59 of New Zealand’s Crimes Amendment Act of 2007, that allows only corporal punishment used for reasonable disciplinary action to legislate against other forms of child hitting or California’s right to discipline laws, to protect against potential abuse. Of course, as it applies to parents it should apply to teachers as well.

This argument lacks statistical backing. There is a reason for this. Because the statistics systematically show that after corporal punishment was made illegal, crime increased, by 67%. The statistics are firmly in favour of the reintroduction of corporal punishment.

In late 2009, American psychology professor Marjorie Gunnoe published a report that found that corporal punishment is good for kids- although since she was going against the grain of popular psychology most journals would not publish it. Nonetheless, her research was not meant to serve as a green light for parents to spank their children, but rather a red light for those groups who want corporal punishment banned.

Here are some articles describing her findings:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/blogs/nurture-shock/2009/12/30/some-kids-are-never-spanked-do-they-turn-out-better.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6926823/Smacked-children-more-successful-later-in-life-study-finds.html

If you speak to people who have been subjected to corporal punishment, they state that it was good for them and taught them discipline. If you are going to talk of alcohol dependency then you will have to quantify how many, and also show the link between the corporal punishment and these problems.

Please provide sources. I have never heard of this from anyone who has been spanked. Most times they regret they did what they did in the first place to get spanked. I have witnessed adults talk about their youth and go up to their parents and thank them for correcting them when they were foolish. I’ve also heard of some people who were locked up who wished someone had been tougher on them or gave them some more spankings. Some of these same inmates have ended up forming closer relationships with their parents, mainly their mothers, because they now realize what their mothers were trying to prevent and feel sorry to have become such a burden.

So by having this atricle you are stating that parents can not punish their children or teachers can not punish their pupils for misbehaving and causing a disruptance in class rooms and at home? If we all were to follow this article and not punish our children by “striking the fear of God into them” as some say how are we supposed to punish the children? Children are already violent already, by not ceasing this to happen and using corporal punishment it will be come a “living hell” as my father says. I know for a fact cause I was a child at first that slaping a kids hand or grounding them does nothing to cease the problem but makes them more defiant towards rules. By doing this how are we supposed to prepare them for the real world because after you make a big mistake the cops are not going to smack you on the hand and put you in the corner. NO there will be much bigger concequences. So do you want a diciplined next generation or a misbehaving unlawful generation? You tell me…

You do realize that most people who beat their children are doing it because it worked for them when their parents used to beat them as children? Also, what makes the U.N. transcendant and all-knowing. I agree with its sentiment, but it is largely mistaken if it thinks that corporal punishment is abuse. Abuse kills, corporal punishment does not.

I think it obvious that a child would not be introduced into a school without the parents being aware of any behavioural disorders or diabilities. What must be taken into account, is a vast majority of cases are attention seeking attempts; in this case, we are to isolate them. Of course, this is used today as a way of dealing with behaviour, but it seems unsuccesful in dealing with behaviour, as people think its cool to go against the system, such as gaining unnecessary ASBOs, or trying to impress friends or admirers. I find the most efficient way of dettering bad behaviour, is embarrasment. In Islamic counties, they use punishments, such as fingers amputated for stealing, public flogging for being abusive to higher authority or stoning for adultry. This is used as a detterance, not only to the person themselves, but to the general public also. It also makes an awareness on how foolish those individuals are, for trying to make themselves cooler, or more impressive.

I am currently a sixth form student at a secondary school( high school in some cases), and i can see that younger years are getting “cockier” towards tutors. This is a observation of only a few years, whereas the scale we are talking is much longer. It is this point, where the point i made earlier on being abusive to authority, where corperal punishment should be reintroduced.

Sure, children need to learn how to be independant without guidence, and need to learn from their mistakes, but isnt that what corperal punishment was for? Did it not show what will happen, if the individuals did make the wrong decisions?

Like i said, corperal punishment showed the consequences of going against higher authority, children need to learn of these consequences, and experience them if they do attempt to go against that authority.

As of the cases which include genuine behavioural disorders or disabilities, the school should know of these conditions; thus the right amount of discipline would be administrated.

I cannot comment on the way the sytem works in the USA, as i live in the UK, but what we must remember, is corperal punishment is for the individuals that are misbehaving. Corporal punishment was not directed to every single child under education, so you cannot raise that point.

It is true, that corporal punishment has religious origins, but it must be noted that in the eyes of religion, it is to make them a better christian, muslim ect. What i feel is important, is every ( if not, most) country is based upon religious origins. South America was colonized by spain in 1492, and North America’s Eastern seaboard was colonized by the English; at those times, both were devout Christian Countries ( please keep in mind, i am not attacking North and South America. Im just using them as examples).

As for the question, “are we seeing measurable difference in behavior in this states to justify reintroducing it in states that have banned it?”, once again, i cannot comment. But i do understand that American States have the independance to choose their own laws, and agree that they should. If you were to look for a measurable difference, look at the difference of age and behaviour. In the case of the UK, bad behaviour in younger years are always increasing, and i feel that is because UK has made corporal pubnishment illegal. I cannot comment on USA’s younger generation, but im sure someone can.

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Honestly, It depends on how the punishment is administered.

You can’t just go on about how bad it is by using uninteresting adjectives.

-You spelt Illegal wrong, You also spelt Legal wrong -Thats cause there was no discipline at that school. Speaks volumes.

This presumes that it is used both often and by the same person. If used in school and only rarely it is quite possible that any one individual getting a reputation for giving a caning could be avoided.

Moreover this is not always a bad thing if the person is afraid of being punished then the answer is to make sure that they know what they are doing wrong and they will avoid it.

So does prison, but you don’t see anyone arguing for getting rid of that.

Causing death by beating is illegal regardless of whether it is ‘punishment’.

Technically, anything can lead to death if used in excession.

This isnt much of a valid point.

If someone ate too much yoghurt they would die,

If someone were to run and run for ages without sleep or eating or stopping they would die.
Id someone were to sit there doing nothing, absolutely nothing, they would die.

This isn’t much or an argument.

Corporal punishment is not abuse and will not lead to death. Abuse, however will lead to death. If you have crossed the line you will definitely know because there is a brief time limit to all corporal punishment, and there is really one sort of instrument that can be used (which can not kill), and is applied to a limited amount of areas. Neither of these things can kill a child when used together. These things also won’t leave bruises or broken ribs. Of course, marks may be left but they usually fade with no bruising in a day or so.

Teachers can be trusted to use corporal punishment as an option. They will think about what to do on a case-by-case basis and try to understand why a child is behaving a certain way. Then, if they think it is appropriate and it would help, they may choose to physically punish the student. Sometimes students who misbehave come from families who are too soft on them and do not discipline them enough, so their teachers need to take the task of setting boundaries. For this type of students, corporal punishment may be very helpful.

There is a clear difference between punishment and abuse; responsible adults can be trusted to know that difference. Allowing teachers and parents to punish children is no excuse for abusing them, and that is perfectly clear for everyone.

The general standard of student behaviour and test results in many schools has declined since the state banned corporal punishments. Many teachers (in Britain) believe that is because corporal punishment was an efficient way of dealing with misbehaving students. Corporal punishment should be an option available to teachers – but not the only option and not one to be used all the time. A ban on corporal punishment would simply takes away from teachers a very effective disciplining method.