Modified:
16 Nov 2009
by Dhc

Vote totals:

Yes:

60%

No:

40%

Neutral:

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DEBATE: IS SILVIO BERLUSCONI A THREAT TO THE STABILITY OF DEMOCRACY IN ITALY?

Berlusconi’s influence over the mechanisms of Italian democracy is fairly comprehensive, allowing him able to exercise pressure on elements of the judiciary, press, and religious institutions. Is there a valid argument that he is in danger of becoming too powerful, or does the nature of the Italian constitution and culture permit him this societal monopoly?





IS SILVIO BERLUSCONI A THREAT TO THE STABILITY OF DEMOCRACY IN ITALY?


HAS MADE HIMSELF IMMUNE FROM PROSECUTION


Berlusconi has passed a law which makes the Prime Minister and the other top three political officials immune from prosecution. This has allowed him to evade any kind of punishment in the bribery court case involving David Mills. Mills himself was convicted and given a four and a half year prison sentence – a charge that could well have applied to Berlusconi if he had been tried, as he was an original co-defendant. His ability to do this makes a mockery of the idea of universal justice. Former anti-corruption magistrate Antonio Di Pietro has stated that ‘the law is unconstitutional because it introduces a double standard’ (1).

(1)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ europe/italy/4162266/Silvio-Berlusconi-could-lose-immunity-from-prosecution.html

The law which has protected Berlusconi was made legitimately by the Italian democratic institutions, and passed using a majority held by the People of Freedom Party in both houses. The law was justified by the need to clear a massive backlog in the judicial system and having been ratified by the Senate and Lower House it is fully democratic. Any criticism of the law attacks the nature of the Italian constitution, something quite separate to Mr. Berlusconi.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Yes
Strongly Yes
Mostly Yes
Partially Yes
Neutral
Partially No
Mostly No
Strongly No
Absolutely No

IS SILVIO BERLUSCONI A THREAT TO THE STABILITY OF DEMOCRACY IN ITALY?


OWNERSHIP OF LARGE SECTIONS OF THE PRESS COULD COMPROMISE JOURNALISTIC IMPARTIALITY


The fact that Berlusconi has ownership of large portions of the Italian media surely compromises the independent reporting of news. One of the strengths of UK democracy is seen to be our politically diverse press, along with the independence of TV networks such as the BBC. Without the adequate space for freedom of political thought there becomes a danger of brainwashing or lack of political awareness, and from there comes a breakdown in active democracy. It also leaves the theoretical possibility that specific interest groups may be over-represented if they appeal to Mr. Berlusconi’s heart (or wallet).

However, some Italians hold the opinion that Berlusconi’s money means that he is rich enough to be independent, and not be bought by specific interest groups. This is a legitimate argument and one which justifies the large pay packets of Supreme Court Judges in the US, as demanded in the Constitution. This counter-argument does little to dispel worries that Berlusconi’s own political interests are prioritised in press reporting though.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Yes
Strongly Yes
Mostly Yes
Partially Yes
Neutral
Partially No
Mostly No
Strongly No
Absolutely No

IS SILVIO BERLUSCONI A THREAT TO THE STABILITY OF DEMOCRACY IN ITALY?


ALL SOURCES OF CRITICISM CAN BE NULLIFIED, MEANING BERLUSCONI CANNOT BE HELD TO ACCOUNT


Premier Berlusconi has recently been subject to sordid accusations about his involvement with teenage glamour model Noemi Letizia, and claims that he has improperly used state aircraft to fly his own private guests to his villa in Sardinia. Despite the weight of these misdemeanors, his immunity from prosecution and lack of incisive political censure has meant that he has easily been able to dodge the ramifications of these alleged actions. Furthermore, he seemingly has some kind of alliance with the Vatican which lends him valuable support in such sleaze cases. The recent furore over his relationship with Letizia received no moral censure from Bishops who stated merely that one’s behaviour is within the realms ‘of individual conscience’ (1). Seemingly all sources of criticism can be silenced or written of as smear, undermining any notion of accountability.

(1)http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/ timestopics/people/b/silvio_berlusconi/index.html

Despite the popularity of his immigration policies in the recent EU elections, Berlusconi’s own party suffered some losses at the polls – gaining around 10 per cent less votes than was expected (1). Thus claims that Berlusconi consistently finds ways to evade democratic criticism are surely wide of the mark – he has been installed by the people, held accountable by the people and still has the potential to be removed by the people (as happened in 2006).

(1)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ eu/5477896/European-elections-2009-Berlusconi-wins-but-Northern-League-has-its-best-result.html


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Yes
Strongly Yes
Mostly Yes
Partially Yes
Neutral
Partially No
Mostly No
Strongly No
Absolutely No

IS SILVIO BERLUSCONI A THREAT TO THE STABILITY OF DEMOCRACY IN ITALY?


HIS PREMIERSHIP IS STILL ENFORCED BY A DEMOCRATIC MANDATE


While Silvio's democratic mandate is impressive his control over most of the media means that even this can be questioned. In an age where what we think is increasingly viewed through the lenses the media give us control over the media is very helpful in increrasing personal popularity - especially when disconnected from policy as it does not require substance.

Despite his indiscretions, Berlusconi remains popular in Italy with polls suggesting that ‘his personal popularity remains around 50-60 per cent’ (1). His party also gained a reasonable portion of the vote in the recent EU elections, gaining around 35 per cent of ballots (2). Thus, one could argue that his position as Prime Minister is in accordance with the democratic process rather than being in conflict with it.

(1)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/5552751/Silvio-Berlusconis-girls-gaffes-and-graft-appeal-to-Italian-voters.html

(2)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ eu/5477896/European-elections-2009-Berlusconi-wins-but-Northern-League-has-its-best-result.html


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Yes
Strongly Yes
Mostly Yes
Partially Yes
Neutral
Partially No
Mostly No
Strongly No
Absolutely No

IS SILVIO BERLUSCONI A THREAT TO THE STABILITY OF DEMOCRACY IN ITALY?


LAUGHABLE OPPOSITION IS A GREATER THREAT TO THE STABILITY OF DEMOCRACY


Weakness of opposition is a larger concern when questioning the strength of democracy in Italy. The infighting of the Left-wing means there is no viable alternative or opposition to the ‘People of Freedom Party’. Whilst it is unequivocal that elements of Berlusconi’s tenure as Prime Minister have asked questions of Italian democracy, there has been a lack of dogged interrogation by those who are supposed to be holding him accountable. By seeing Berlusconi as the main detractor to democracy, one ignores the larger concern of a weakness of alternative representation.



IS SILVIO BERLUSCONI A THREAT TO THE STABILITY OF DEMOCRACY IN ITALY?


WITHIN THE ITALIAN CULTURE, BERLUSCONI’S STYLE OF RULE IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE


Berlusconi is seen as ‘un furbo’, which is essentially being a cunning rule dodger. Whilst other nations see such behaviour as dishonest and illegal, many Italians respect the gutsy behaviour of Berlusconi – essentially manipulating rules to serve his own interests. This is a concept very specific to the Italian culture, and thus quite difficult for non-Italians to fully understand. As a good counter-example one an look to Romano Prodi. He was criticised for being too boring a character, ‘known by his political enemies as "the Mortadella" after the rather bland sausage - baloney in American English’ (1). This perhaps explains why his premiership was so unstable and his majority so thin. Clearly strong personalities have a far greater appeal to the Italian electorate, with acts of patronage remaining acceptable in their modern society.

(1)http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6387715.stm




Vote on the overall debate: Is Silvio Berlusconi a threat to the stability of democracy in Italy?

What do you think?  Vote on this debate below.
Absolutely Yes
Strongly Yes
Mostly Yes
Partially Yes
Neutral
Partially No
Mostly No
Strongly No
Absolutely No
1. HAS MADE HIMSELF IMMUNE FROM PROSECUTION
# 1

Berlusconi has passed a law which makes the Prime Minister and the other top three political officials immune from prosecution. This has allowed him to evade any kind of punishment in the bribery court case involving David Mills. Mills himself was convicted and given a four and a half year prison sentence – a charge that could well have applied to Berlusconi if he had been tried, as he was an original co-defendant. His ability to do this makes a mockery of the idea of universal justice. Former anti-corruption magistrate Antonio Di Pietro has stated that ‘the law is unconstitutional because it introduces a double standard’ (1).

(1)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ europe/italy/4162266/Silvio-Berlusconi-could-lose-immunity-from-prosecution.html

gooner49games

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08:32, 19 June 09

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Karma Score: 202


# 2

The law which has protected Berlusconi was made legitimately by the Italian democratic institutions, and passed using a majority held by the People of Freedom Party in both houses. The law was justified by the need to clear a massive backlog in the judicial system and having been ratified by the Senate and Lower House it is fully democratic. Any criticism of the law attacks the nature of the Italian constitution, something quite separate to Mr. Berlusconi.

gooner49games

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08:34, 19 June 09

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Karma Score: 202



2. OWNERSHIP OF LARGE SECTIONS OF THE PRESS COULD COMPROMISE JOURNALISTIC IMPARTIALITY
# 1

The fact that Berlusconi has ownership of large portions of the Italian media surely compromises the independent reporting of news. One of the strengths of UK democracy is seen to be our politically diverse press, along with the independence of TV networks such as the BBC. Without the adequate space for freedom of political thought there becomes a danger of brainwashing or lack of political awareness, and from there comes a breakdown in active democracy. It also leaves the theoretical possibility that specific interest groups may be over-represented if they appeal to Mr. Berlusconi’s heart (or wallet).

gooner49games

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08:33, 19 June 09

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Karma Score: 202


# 2

However, some Italians hold the opinion that Berlusconi’s money means that he is rich enough to be independent, and not be bought by specific interest groups. This is a legitimate argument and one which justifies the large pay packets of Supreme Court Judges in the US, as demanded in the Constitution. This counter-argument does little to dispel worries that Berlusconi’s own political interests are prioritised in press reporting though.

gooner49games

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08:35, 19 June 09

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Karma Score: 202



3. ALL SOURCES OF CRITICISM CAN BE NULLIFIED, MEANING BERLUSCONI CANNOT BE HELD TO ACCOUNT
# 1

Premier Berlusconi has recently been subject to sordid accusations about his involvement with teenage glamour model Noemi Letizia, and claims that he has improperly used state aircraft to fly his own private guests to his villa in Sardinia. Despite the weight of these misdemeanors, his immunity from prosecution and lack of incisive political censure has meant that he has easily been able to dodge the ramifications of these alleged actions. Furthermore, he seemingly has some kind of alliance with the Vatican which lends him valuable support in such sleaze cases. The recent furore over his relationship with Letizia received no moral censure from Bishops who stated merely that one’s behaviour is within the realms ‘of individual conscience’ (1). Seemingly all sources of criticism can be silenced or written of as smear, undermining any notion of accountability.

(1)http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/ timestopics/people/b/silvio_berlusconi/index.html

gooner49games

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08:34, 19 June 09

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Karma Score: 202


# 2

Despite the popularity of his immigration policies in the recent EU elections, Berlusconi’s own party suffered some losses at the polls – gaining around 10 per cent less votes than was expected (1). Thus claims that Berlusconi consistently finds ways to evade democratic criticism are surely wide of the mark – he has been installed by the people, held accountable by the people and still has the potential to be removed by the people (as happened in 2006).

(1) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/ 5477896/European-elections-2009-Berlusconi-wins-but-Northern-League-has-its-best-result.html

gooner49games

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08:35, 19 June 09

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Karma Score: 202



1. HIS PREMIERSHIP IS STILL ENFORCED BY A DEMOCRATIC MANDATE
# 1

Despite his indiscretions, Berlusconi remains popular in Italy with polls suggesting that ‘his personal popularity remains around 50-60 per cent’ (1). His party also gained a reasonable portion of the vote in the recent EU elections, gaining around 35 per cent of ballots (2). Thus, one could argue that his position as Prime Minister is in accordance with the democratic process rather than being in conflict with it.

(1)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/5552751/Silvio-Berlusconis-girls-gaffes-and-graft-appeal-to-Italian-voters.html

(2)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/5477896/ European-elections-2009-Berlusconi-wins-but-Northern-League-has-its-best-result.html

gooner49games

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08:37, 19 June 09

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Karma Score: 202


# 2

While Silvio's democratic mandate is impressive his control over most of the media means that even this can be questioned. In an age where what we think is increasingly viewed through the lenses the media give us control over the media is very helpful in increrasing personal popularity - especially when disconnected from policy as it does not require substance.

booji

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06:35, 23 June 09

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Karma Score: 3085



2. LAUGHABLE OPPOSITION IS A GREATER THREAT TO THE STABILITY OF DEMOCRACY
# 1

Weakness of opposition is a larger concern when questioning the strength of democracy in Italy. The infighting of the Left-wing means there is no viable alternative or opposition to the ‘People of Freedom Party’. Whilst it is unequivocal that elements of Berlusconi’s tenure as Prime Minister have asked questions of Italian democracy, there has been a lack of dogged interrogation by those who are supposed to be holding him accountable. By seeing Berlusconi as the main detractor to democracy, one ignores the larger concern of a weakness of alternative representation.

gooner49games

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08:38, 19 June 09

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Karma Score: 202



3. WITHIN THE ITALIAN CULTURE, BERLUSCONI’S STYLE OF RULE IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE
# 1

Berlusconi is seen as ‘un furbo’, which is essentially being a cunning rule dodger. Whilst other nations see such behaviour as dishonest and illegal, many Italians respect the gutsy behaviour of Berlusconi – essentially manipulating rules to serve his own interests. This is a concept very specific to the Italian culture, and thus quite difficult for non-Italians to fully understand. As a good counter-example one an look to Romano Prodi. He was criticised for being too boring a character, ‘known by his political enemies as "the Mortadella" after the rather bland sausage - baloney in American English’ (1). This perhaps explains why his premiership was so unstable and his majority so thin. Clearly strong personalities have a far greater appeal to the Italian electorate, with acts of patronage remaining acceptable in their modern society.

(1)http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6387715.stm

gooner49games

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08:38, 19 June 09

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Karma Score: 202



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