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DEBATE: THE CREDIT CRUNCH WAS CAUSED BY OVER-REGULATION OF THE FINANCIAL SECTOR

The credit crunch, a sudden reduction in the availability of loans and other types of credit from banks and capital markets, has caused the recession we are currently facing because banks are unwilling to lend so depressing consumption and investment, two engines of economic growth. Was this crisis caused by the financial sector being over regulated.




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THE CREDIT CRUNCH WAS CAUSED BY OVER-REGULATION OF THE FINANCIAL SECTOR


Community reinvestment act


‘The Community Reinvestment Act is intended to encourage depository institutions to help meet the credit needs of the communities in which they operate, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods, consistent with safe and sound operations.’[1] The U.S. worried that poor people were being excluded from owning homes the CRA encourages loans for homes. The subprime concept allowed risk to be spread around so that it was considered safe and so could be used on a large scale.[2]
  1. ^ http://www.federalreserve.gov/dcca/cra/
  2. ^ http://reluctantlylibdem.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-regulation-caused-credit-crisis.html

The most important part of the quote in the argument is ‘consistent with safe and sound operations’ The law does not require institutions to make high-risk loans that jeopardize their safety. To the contrary, the law makes it clear that an institution's CRA activities should be undertaken in a safe and sound manner. The CRA is thirty years old so is most unlikely to have caused a crisis now; moreover it was actually weakened by the Bush administration just as the worst lending wave began. More than 50% of subprime loans were made by mortgage service companies not subject comprehensive federal supervision and the CRA and another 30% were made by affiliates of banks or thrifts which are not subject to routine supervision or examinations. loans made under the CRA program were made in a more responsible way than other subprime loans.[1] With the subprime loans “Law didn’t make them lend. The profit motive did.”[2]
  1. ^ Aaron Pressman, The community reinvestment act had nothing to do with subprime crisis, Businessweek, 29th September, http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinv.html
  2. ^ Robert Gordon, Did liberals cause the sub-prime crisis?, The American Prospect,7th April 2008, http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_liberals_cause_the_subprime_crisis


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THE CREDIT CRUNCH WAS CAUSED BY OVER-REGULATION OF THE FINANCIAL SECTOR


Central Banks


What occurs in the economy can be traced back to what central banks do. After September 11th and the bursting of the technology bubble the fed, and in the UK the Bank of England moved interest rates to very low levels to encourage borrowing so as to get the economy moving again. This effectively moved the technology bubble into being a housing bubble based upon debt.[1]
  1. ^ Ryan Barnes, The Fuel the Fed the Subprime Meltdown, Investopedia, http://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/subprime-overview.asp

The Bank of England and Federal Reserve were doing their jobs; keeping inflation within a certain band. When the economy is down, as after September 11th they put interest rates down so that the economy does not deflate. Although low interests did help cause the housing bubble that sparked the credit crisis they are not caused by ‘over regulation’. Interest rates need to be set by someone and the banks that set them are becoming increasingly independent rather than more regulated. Less regulation would not have affected the central bankers policies. Indeed Alan Greenspan did not act to deflate the housing bubble instead taking a laissez-faire approach to the economy. Regulation also did not force people looking for morgages to believe that interest rates would remain unchanged, consumers made themselves more vulnerable by moving to adjustable mortgages to take advantage of the low interest rates.


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THE CREDIT CRUNCH WAS CAUSED BY OVER-REGULATION OF THE FINANCIAL SECTOR


Subprimes backed by US government


Many rating agencies such as Moodies and Standard & Poor’s gave the securities that included subprime morgages within them ‘AAA’ ratings that said they they are sound investments. Included in this the Government National Mortgage Association (Ginnie Mae) had been bundling and selling securitized mortgages as asset backed securities for years; their ratings had the added advantage of government backing. Investors gained a higher yield than on Treasuries, while many ways having the same security.[1]
  1. ^ Ryan Barnes, The Fuel that Fed the Subprime Meltdown, Investopedia, http://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/subprime-overview.asp

The ratings agencies failed in their role in the market as a kind of regulator. Meaning that more regulation (both of them and by them) is needed not less. The rating agencies are paid by the issuers of bonds and other asset-backed securities to rate the level of risk inherent in these investments, therefore they had an interest in rating securities highly rather than in making sure they were financially sound. The EU as well as national governments have made moves towards investigating the agencies.[1]
  1. ^ Ben Bland, Head of S&P stands down amid criticism of rating agencies , 31st Aug 2007, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/markets/2814862/Head-of-SandP-steps-down-amid-criticism-of-rating-agencies.html


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THE CREDIT CRUNCH WAS CAUSED BY OVER-REGULATION OF THE FINANCIAL SECTOR


Fear


Professor Michael Urman believes “Our mental state (psychology) pushes and makes economic events happen... The reality is that only a very small percent of all the mortgages were in fact subprime…. But we didn’t know how many of them there might be, or how many of them might go into default. That unknown makes people afraid.”[1] As with the Wall Street crash of 1929 it only takes a small spark to get the ball of fear rolling. After that the unknowns in the market create a fear that pushes the market down. While banks do not know how many bad loans the other banks have they are unwilling to lend to each other fearing collapses and defaulters.
  1. ^ Dan Wilson, What Caused the Subprime Mortgage Crisis? Professor Says Fear Major Factor – Loosening of Regulations Played Role, 15th November 2007, http://www.bestsyndication.com/?q=111507_subprime_lending_causes_michael_urman_presentation.htm




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1. Community reinvestment act
# 1

‘The Community Reinvestment Act is intended to encourage depository institutions to help meet the credit needs of the communities in which they operate, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods, consistent with safe and sound operations.’[1] The U.S. worried that poor people were being excluded from owning homes the CRA encourages loans for homes. The subprime concept allowed risk to be spread around so that it was considered safe and so could be used on a large scale.[2]
  1. ^ http://www.federalreserve.gov/dcca/cra/
  2. ^ http://reluctantlylibdem.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-regulation-caused-credit-crisis.html

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# 2

The most important part of the quote in the argument is ‘consistent with safe and sound operations’ The law does not require institutions to make high-risk loans that jeopardize their safety. To the contrary, the law makes it clear that an institution's CRA activities should be undertaken in a safe and sound manner. The CRA is thirty years old so is most unlikely to have caused a crisis now; moreover it was actually weakened by the Bush administration just as the worst lending wave began. More than 50% of subprime loans were made by mortgage service companies not subject comprehensive federal supervision and the CRA and another 30% were made by affiliates of banks or thrifts which are not subject to routine supervision or examinations. loans made under the CRA program were made in a more responsible way than other subprime loans.[1] With the subprime loans “Law didn’t make them lend. The profit motive did.”[2]
  1. ^ Aaron Pressman, The community reinvestment act had nothing to do with subprime crisis, Businessweek, 29th September, http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinv.html
  2. ^ Robert Gordon, Did liberals cause the sub-prime crisis?, The American Prospect,7th April 2008, http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_liberals_cause_the_subprime_crisis

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2. Central Banks
# 1

What occurs in the economy can be traced back to what central banks do. After September 11th and the bursting of the technology bubble the fed, and in the UK the Bank of England moved interest rates to very low levels to encourage borrowing so as to get the economy moving again. This effectively moved the technology bubble into being a housing bubble based upon debt.[1]
  1. ^ Ryan Barnes, The Fuel the Fed the Subprime Meltdown, Investopedia, http://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/subprime-overview.asp

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08:51, 15 May 09

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# 2

The Bank of England and Federal Reserve were doing their jobs; keeping inflation within a certain band. When the economy is down, as after September 11th they put interest rates down so that the economy does not deflate. Although low interests did help cause the housing bubble that sparked the credit crisis they are not caused by ‘over regulation’. Interest rates need to be set by someone and the banks that set them are becoming increasingly independent rather than more regulated. Less regulation would not have affected the central bankers policies. Indeed Alan Greenspan did not act to deflate the housing bubble instead taking a laissez-faire approach to the economy. Regulation also did not force people looking for morgages to believe that interest rates would remain unchanged, consumers made themselves more vulnerable by moving to adjustable mortgages to take advantage of the low interest rates.

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08:51, 15 May 09

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3. Subprimes backed by US government
# 1

Many rating agencies such as Moodies and Standard & Poor’s gave the securities that included subprime morgages within them ‘AAA’ ratings that said they they are sound investments. Included in this the Government National Mortgage Association (Ginnie Mae) had been bundling and selling securitized mortgages as asset backed securities for years; their ratings had the added advantage of government backing. Investors gained a higher yield than on Treasuries, while many ways having the same security.[1]
  1. ^ Ryan Barnes, The Fuel that Fed the Subprime Meltdown, Investopedia, http://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/subprime-overview.asp

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08:52, 15 May 09

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# 2

The ratings agencies failed in their role in the market as a kind of regulator. Meaning that more regulation (both of them and by them) is needed not less. The rating agencies are paid by the issuers of bonds and other asset-backed securities to rate the level of risk inherent in these investments, therefore they had an interest in rating securities highly rather than in making sure they were financially sound. The EU as well as national governments have made moves towards investigating the agencies.[1]
  1. ^ Ben Bland, Head of S&P stands down amid criticism of rating agencies , 31st Aug 2007, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/markets/2814862/Head-of-SandP-steps-down-amid-criticism-of-rating-agencies.html

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1. Fear
# 1

Professor Michael Urman believes “Our mental state (psychology) pushes and makes economic events happen... The reality is that only a very small percent of all the mortgages were in fact subprime…. But we didn’t know how many of them there might be, or how many of them might go into default. That unknown makes people afraid.”[1] As with the Wall Street crash of 1929 it only takes a small spark to get the ball of fear rolling. After that the unknowns in the market create a fear that pushes the market down. While banks do not know how many bad loans the other banks have they are unwilling to lend to each other fearing collapses and defaulters.
  1. ^ Dan Wilson, What Caused the Subprime Mortgage Crisis? Professor Says Fear Major Factor – Loosening of Regulations Played Role, 15th November 2007, http://www.bestsyndication.com/?q=111507_subprime_lending_causes_michael_urman_presentation.htm

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