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DEBATE: EU SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SMALL SCALE, NON-INTENSIVE METHODS

It is estimated that 80% of the CAP goes to the largest and richest farmers. After the Agenda 2000 Reform, direct payments to farmers were made based on what they had received in previous years. This means that the CAP is in a vicious cycle of paying out to large farmers and giving a pittance to smaller farmers. Does this need to change?





EU SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SMALL SCALE, NON-INTENSIVE METHODS


Small farmers need help


Almost 75% of EU farmers run small farms with a turnover of less than £5,000 per year[1]. Without agricultural subsidies, many of these farms would cease to be profitable, and the rural communities they support would struggle to survive. Most farms are small businesses, with time consuming and labour intensive operations, which return very small profits. Taking away EU agricultural subsidies, which are reliable source of finance, could prove to be the final nail in the coffin for many farms, especially those in remote areas.
  1. ^ www.civitas.org.uk



EU SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SMALL SCALE, NON-INTENSIVE METHODS


Current distribution is disproportionate and thus unfair


The current distribution of CAP funds is unfair and unbalanced. Big farms get the bulk of the money, with the smaller farmers who are probably more in need of it getting comparatively little. For example 74% of CAP funds go to just 20% of European farmers while 70% of farmers share only 8% of the fund between them[1]
  1. ^ Q&A: Common Agricultural Policy, BBC News, 20 November 2008, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407792.stm

The current distribution may well be unbalanced but that is no reason to unbalance it in the other direction! If 74% of funds go to 20% of producers, this should be evened out so that that goes to 74% of producers and everybody gets thier dues.


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EU SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SMALL SCALE, NON-INTENSIVE METHODS


High density farming promotes disease (swineflu!) and uses up medicine supplies


High-density animal production operations can increase livestock disease incidence, the emergence of new, often antibiotic-resistant diseases, and air, groundwater and surface water pollution associated with animal wastes. Current livestock operations are vulnerable to catastrophic loss of animals to disease. For instance, in 1997, an influenza A virus (H5N1) appeared and spread among Hong Kong chicken-production facilities, killing six humans and leading to the destruction of more than 1.2 million birds. In Britain, foot and mouth outbreaks led to the destruction of 440,000 animals in 1967 and 1.2 million in 2001. Bovine spongiform encephalitis ('mad cow disease') led to the slaughter of 11 million animals in 1996. To help prevent disease associated with high-density facilities, livestock are often fed subtherapeutic doses of the same antibiotics used in human medicines. These prophylactic treatments cause agriculture to use, in total, a larger proportion of global antibiotic production than human medicine[1]
  1. ^ Gorback, S. L. Antimicrobial use in animal feed—time to stop. New Engl. J. Med. 345, 1202–1203 (2001)



EU SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SMALL SCALE, NON-INTENSIVE METHODS


Concentrated levels of animal waste are bad for the environment


The handling and disposal of animal wastes are significant problems of high-density animal confinement facilities. Manure lagoons can release high levels of hydrogen sulphide and other toxic gases, volatilize ammonium that greatly increases regional nitrogen deposition, and contaminate surface and ground waters with nutrients, toxins and pathogens.

This can be dealt with, and the subsidies given to high intensity farming could be used to do so. Animal wastes could be treated by composting to create a crop fertilizer that no longer harbours pathogens, and that is applied at appropriate rates and times and with methods that minimize nutrient leaching. This closing of the nutrient cycle decreases dependence on synthetic fertilizer production, and is more efficient when animal and crop production are combined locally. For this to be most effective large quantities of manure must be composted, and thus money and intensive farming will be needed.


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EU SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SMALL SCALE, NON-INTENSIVE METHODS


Intensive farming in general bad for the environment


Intensive agriculture harms the environment. It uses chemical fertilisers, which drain into waterways, upsetting the ecological balance. It uses heavy machinery, which creates pollution. Basically its environmental impact is much more severe than that of non-intensive methods. It is unacceptable for the EU to continue to support something with such a detrimental effect on the environment, especially as the EU has committed to environmental protection measures in other areas.



EU SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SMALL SCALE, NON-INTENSIVE METHODS


Viability


The EU recognises the environmental benefits of small farms. But often these farms cannot operate because they are undercut by bigger, less environmentally friendly, producers. These small producers could be made a lot more competitive if subsidies were channelled away from the larger farms and focused on smaller producers. This would be an effective way of promoting something environmentally friendly, by helping the people willing to use sustainable methods.



EU SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SMALL SCALE, NON-INTENSIVE METHODS


Subsidies should help people


Big businesses or small farmers- who needs the money more? The EU should care about more than profitability; it should be acting to improve the lives of its people. One way it can effectively do this is to ensure that small, often family run, farms are not forced out of business by bigger competitors.



EU SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SMALL SCALE, NON-INTENSIVE METHODS


Large scale is needed to feed a rapidly expanding population


The findings of Nobel economist Amartya Sen support the idea that a rapidly expanding population can only be fed with small scale and more efficient farming. This is backed up by a number of other reports.[1][2]

To put it another way: "Though the rich world's governments won't hear it, the issue of whether or not the world will be fed is partly a function of ownership. This reflects an unexpected discovery. It was first made in 1962 by the Nobel economist Amartya Sen, and has since been confirmed by dozens of studies. There is an inverse relationship between the size of farms and the amount of crops they produce per hectare. The smaller they are, the greater the yield."[3]
  1. ^ Food First Policy Brief number 4, The Multiple Functions and Benefits of Small Farm Agriculture in the Context of Global Trade Negotiations., http://www.foodfirst.org/pubs/policybs/pb4.html
  2. ^ "Cultivating Our Futures," the FAO/Netherlands Conference on the Multifunctional Character of Agriculture and Land, 12-17 September 1999, Maastricht, The Netherlands. Information at: http://www.fao.org/mfcal
  3. ^ George Monbiot, The Guardian, Tuesday 10 June 2008, http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/10/food.globaleconomy

Although small scale non-intensive, organic, sustainable farming would be ideal, it is just that - an ideal. Modern agriculture now feeds 6,000 million people. By 2050, global population is projected to be 50% larger than at present and global grain demand is projected to double[1].We need to prioritise humans, and to feed them we need to prioritise intensive farming.
  1. ^ Cassman, K. G. Ecological intensification of cereal production systems: yield potential, soil quality, and precision agriculture. Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. USA 96, 5952–5959 (1999)


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EU SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SMALL SCALE, NON-INTENSIVE METHODS


Return on subsidies


"How many times have we heard that large farms are more productive than small farms, and that we need to consolidate land holdings to take advantage of that greater productivity and efficiency? The actual data shows the opposite -- small farms produce far more per acre or hectare than large farms.

"A relatively equitable, small farmer-based rural economy provides the basis for strong national economic development. The post-war experiences of Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan demonstrate how equitable land distribution fuels economic development. At the end of the war, circumstances including devastation and foreign occupation, conspired to create the conditions for "radical" land reforms in each country, breaking the eco-nomic stranglehold of the landholding class over rural economies. Combined with trade protection to keep farm prices high, and targeted investment in rural areas, small farmers rapidly achieved a high level of purchasing power, which guaranteed domestic markets for fledging industries."[1]
  1. ^ Food First Policy Brief number 4, The Multiple Functions and Benefits of Small Farm Agriculture in the Context of Global Trade Negotiations.

Intensive farming is more productive and thus more profitable. EU money should be seen to have a tangible return on the investment, and if it is spent on a profitable industry it will recoup some of that money in tax revenue. In contrast, small farms are often financial black holes. This means that EU money is just propping up an enterprise which would otherwise fail, and so has no return benefits. The EU is a trading organisation and thus it goes against its own principles to subsidise something to protect it from failure.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
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EU SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SMALL SCALE, NON-INTENSIVE METHODS


Food security


Small scale farming methods create a defensible sourcing of food. During times of disaster or war food is already located where it is needed. Furthermore wastage of food is still incredibly high and creating more food to counter this waste is non efficient. The variety and distribution of farms is furthermore resistant to the spread of disease increasing security for the food production.

In addition[1] indicates that smaller farms are proportionately more productive than larger farms.

The time of worrying about food security is long gone.....
  1. ^ Food First Policy Brief number 4, The Multiple Functions and Benefits of Small Farm Agriculture in the Context of Global Trade Negotiations

Because intensive methods are more productive, they contribute more to the EU’s need for food security. It is in the EU’s best interests to have as much food as possible within its borders, because then it is less reliant on imports. This cuts food costs and air miles of imports, both issues which are important to the European people. It also makes the EU less reliant on other nations for something as essential as food.


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EU SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SMALL SCALE, NON-INTENSIVE METHODS


EU Farming subsidies should be abolished


Very few industries receive subsidies from their national or local government and yet the EU insist that certain niche employment sectors such as farming should be supported disproportionately in comparison to most workers.

Whilst removal of farming subsidies in a single move would be harmful to both the economies and sustainability of nations the medium to long term goal must be to remove these subsidies all together and move to a truly free home market with limited import of goods. The movement of crops, foodstuffs and livestock into member countries from elsewhere in the EU or from outside the EU should be restricted and member nations allowed to return to the policy of being able to sustain their own food requirements without recourse to imports.

Not only is this the most beneficial course of action economically and strategically but is also of benefit to the global fuel supply issues and possible environmental impact due to the huge reduction in food miles.




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1. Small farmers need help
# 1

Almost 75% of EU farmers run small farms with a turnover of less than £5,000 per year[1]. Without agricultural subsidies, many of these farms would cease to be profitable, and the rural communities they support would struggle to survive. Most farms are small businesses, with time consuming and labour intensive operations, which return very small profits. Taking away EU agricultural subsidies, which are reliable source of finance, could prove to be the final nail in the coffin for many farms, especially those in remote areas.
  1. ^ www.civitas.org.uk

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06:22, 12 May 09

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2. Current distribution is disproportionate and thus unfair
# 1

The current distribution of CAP funds is unfair and unbalanced. Big farms get the bulk of the money, with the smaller farmers who are probably more in need of it getting comparatively little. For example 74% of CAP funds go to just 20% of European farmers while 70% of farmers share only 8% of the fund between them[1]
  1. ^ Q&A: Common Agricultural Policy, BBC News, 20 November 2008, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407792.stm

admin

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06:25, 12 May 09

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# 2

The current distribution may well be unbalanced but that is no reason to unbalance it in the other direction! If 74% of funds go to 20% of producers, this should be evened out so that that goes to 74% of producers and everybody gets thier dues.

admin

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06:25, 12 May 09

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Karma Score: 14



3. High density farming promotes disease (swineflu!) and uses up medicine supplies
# 1

High-density animal production operations can increase livestock disease incidence, the emergence of new, often antibiotic-resistant diseases, and air, groundwater and surface water pollution associated with animal wastes. Current livestock operations are vulnerable to catastrophic loss of animals to disease. For instance, in 1997, an influenza A virus (H5N1) appeared and spread among Hong Kong chicken-production facilities, killing six humans and leading to the destruction of more than 1.2 million birds. In Britain, foot and mouth outbreaks led to the destruction of 440,000 animals in 1967 and 1.2 million in 2001. Bovine spongiform encephalitis ('mad cow disease') led to the slaughter of 11 million animals in 1996. To help prevent disease associated with high-density facilities, livestock are often fed subtherapeutic doses of the same antibiotics used in human medicines. These prophylactic treatments cause agriculture to use, in total, a larger proportion of global antibiotic production than human medicine[1]
  1. ^ Gorback, S. L. Antimicrobial use in animal feed—time to stop. New Engl. J. Med. 345, 1202–1203 (2001)

admin

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08:50, 12 May 09

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Karma Score: 14



4. Concentrated levels of animal waste are bad for the environment
# 1

The handling and disposal of animal wastes are significant problems of high-density animal confinement facilities. Manure lagoons can release high levels of hydrogen sulphide and other toxic gases, volatilize ammonium that greatly increases regional nitrogen deposition, and contaminate surface and ground waters with nutrients, toxins and pathogens.

admin

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10:54, 12 May 09

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# 2

This can be dealt with, and the subsidies given to high intensity farming could be used to do so. Animal wastes could be treated by composting to create a crop fertilizer that no longer harbours pathogens, and that is applied at appropriate rates and times and with methods that minimize nutrient leaching. This closing of the nutrient cycle decreases dependence on synthetic fertilizer production, and is more efficient when animal and crop production are combined locally. For this to be most effective large quantities of manure must be composted, and thus money and intensive farming will be needed.

admin

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10:54, 12 May 09

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Karma Score: 14



5. Intensive farming in general bad for the environment
# 1

Intensive agriculture harms the environment. It uses chemical fertilisers, which drain into waterways, upsetting the ecological balance. It uses heavy machinery, which creates pollution. Basically its environmental impact is much more severe than that of non-intensive methods. It is unacceptable for the EU to continue to support something with such a detrimental effect on the environment, especially as the EU has committed to environmental protection measures in other areas.

admin

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12:20, 13 May 09

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Karma Score: 14



6. Viability
# 1

The EU recognises the environmental benefits of small farms. But often these farms cannot operate because they are undercut by bigger, less environmentally friendly, producers. These small producers could be made a lot more competitive if subsidies were channelled away from the larger farms and focused on smaller producers. This would be an effective way of promoting something environmentally friendly, by helping the people willing to use sustainable methods.

admin

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12:22, 13 May 09

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Karma Score: 14



7. Subsidies should help people
# 1

Big businesses or small farmers- who needs the money more? The EU should care about more than profitability; it should be acting to improve the lives of its people. One way it can effectively do this is to ensure that small, often family run, farms are not forced out of business by bigger competitors.

admin

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12:35, 13 May 09

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Karma Score: 14



1. Large scale is needed to feed a rapidly expanding population
# 1

Although small scale non-intensive, organic, sustainable farming would be ideal, it is just that - an ideal. Modern agriculture now feeds 6,000 million people. By 2050, global population is projected to be 50% larger than at present and global grain demand is projected to double[1].We need to prioritise humans, and to feed them we need to prioritise intensive farming.
  1. ^ Cassman, K. G. Ecological intensification of cereal production systems: yield potential, soil quality, and precision agriculture. Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. USA 96, 5952–5959 (1999)

admin

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08:37, 12 May 09

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Karma Score: 14


# 2

The findings of Nobel economist Amartya Sen support the idea that a rapidly expanding population can only be fed with small scale and more efficient farming. This is backed up by a number of other reports.[1][2]

To put it another way: "Though the rich world's governments won't hear it, the issue of whether or not the world will be fed is partly a function of ownership. This reflects an unexpected discovery. It was first made in 1962 by the Nobel economist Amartya Sen, and has since been confirmed by dozens of studies. There is an inverse relationship between the size of farms and the amount of crops they produce per hectare. The smaller they are, the greater the yield."[3]
  1. ^ Food First Policy Brief number 4, The Multiple Functions and Benefits of Small Farm Agriculture in the Context of Global Trade Negotiations., http://www.foodfirst.org/pubs/policybs/pb4.html
  2. ^ "Cultivating Our Futures," the FAO/Netherlands Conference on the Multifunctional Character of Agriculture and Land, 12-17 September 1999, Maastricht, The Netherlands. Information at: http://www.fao.org/mfcal
  3. ^ George Monbiot, The Guardian, Tuesday 10 June 2008, http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/10/food.globaleconomy

Matt B

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07:53, 04 June 09

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Karma Score: 9



2. Return on subsidies
# 1

Intensive farming is more productive and thus more profitable. EU money should be seen to have a tangible return on the investment, and if it is spent on a profitable industry it will recoup some of that money in tax revenue. In contrast, small farms are often financial black holes. This means that EU money is just propping up an enterprise which would otherwise fail, and so has no return benefits. The EU is a trading organisation and thus it goes against its own principles to subsidise something to protect it from failure.

admin

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12:35, 13 May 09

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Karma Score: 14


# 2

"How many times have we heard that large farms are more productive than small farms, and that we need to consolidate land holdings to take advantage of that greater productivity and efficiency? The actual data shows the opposite -- small farms produce far more per acre or hectare than large farms.

"A relatively equitable, small farmer-based rural economy provides the basis for strong national economic development. The post-war experiences of Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan demonstrate how equitable land distribution fuels economic development. At the end of the war, circumstances including devastation and foreign occupation, conspired to create the conditions for "radical" land reforms in each country, breaking the eco-nomic stranglehold of the landholding class over rural economies. Combined with trade protection to keep farm prices high, and targeted investment in rural areas, small farmers rapidly achieved a high level of purchasing power, which guaranteed domestic markets for fledging industries."[1]
  1. ^ Food First Policy Brief number 4, The Multiple Functions and Benefits of Small Farm Agriculture in the Context of Global Trade Negotiations.

Matt B

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08:46, 04 June 09

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Karma Score: 9



3. Food security
# 1

Because intensive methods are more productive, they contribute more to the EU’s need for food security. It is in the EU’s best interests to have as much food as possible within its borders, because then it is less reliant on imports. This cuts food costs and air miles of imports, both issues which are important to the European people. It also makes the EU less reliant on other nations for something as essential as food.

admin

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12:36, 13 May 09

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Karma Score: 14


# 2

Small scale farming methods create a defensible sourcing of food. During times of disaster or war food is already located where it is needed. Furthermore wastage of food is still incredibly high and creating more food to counter this waste is non efficient. The variety and distribution of farms is furthermore resistant to the spread of disease increasing security for the food production.

In addition[1] indicates that smaller farms are proportionately more productive than larger farms.
  1. ^ Food First Policy Brief number 4, The Multiple Functions and Benefits of Small Farm Agriculture in the Context of Global Trade Negotiations

Matt B

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07:41, 04 June 09

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Karma Score: 9



4. EU Farming subsidies should be abolished
# 1

Very few industries receive subsidies from their national or local government and yet the EU insist that certain niche employment sectors such as farming should be supported disproportionately in comparison to most workers.

Whilst removal of farming subsidies in a single move would be harmful to both the economies and sustainability of nations the medium to long term goal must be to remove these subsidies all together and move to a truly free home market with limited import of goods. The movement of crops, foodstuffs and livestock into member countries from elsewhere in the EU or from outside the EU should be restricted and member nations allowed to return to the policy of being able to sustain their own food requirements without recourse to imports.

Not only is this the most beneficial course of action economically and strategically but is also of benefit to the global fuel supply issues and possible environmental impact due to the huge reduction in food miles.

mjltigger

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05:44, 31 May 09

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Karma Score: 31



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