Standing should NEVER be reintroduced into football grounds!

15th April 1989, it is a day that haunts all football fans, this was the day when 96 innocent people tragically died in the Leppings Lane end in Hillsborough during the FA cup semi final between Liverpool & Nottingham Forest. As a result of the Taylor Report, all seating stadia was declared to be mandatory for all British top flight clubs. Recently however various campaigns have been launched to reintroduce some standing at grounds.



Standing should NEVER be reintroduced into football grounds!
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Standing should NEVER be reintroduced into football grounds!
Yes because...

Lives are more important than atmosphere.

The main argument for the reintroduction of standing, is that it creates a better atmosphere. In reality however safer stadiums with less atmosphere is surely preferable. Everybody who was there that day would certainly have substituted a raucous atmosphere for returning home safely.

No because...

Standing is still with us! Look around you at most games or watch all the games on TV and see all those fans on their feet. The question is; how do you deal with this so called problem? Allow standing in certain seated areas or reintroduce new safe standing areas.If standing is unsafe then explain why it is allowed at lower league games,other sporting events(rugby league,union,speedway,racing) events at football stadia such as rock concerts and a complete blind eye is turned by stewards to all sorts of going on that would see the average football fan thrown out and banned!!

Standing should NEVER be reintroduced into football grounds!
Yes because...

Crowd safety and control is easier in all seater stadiums

If we return to standing, crowd control will become much harder. For example, the recent idiots at the Northern Ireland v Poland & Cardiff v Swansea matches who threw coins at officials, would have been much harder to find and punish accordingly as the culprit would have been able to melt back into the crowd. This is virtually impossible with seating because the offender can only really stay in the same area in their designated seats.

No because...
Standing should NEVER be reintroduced into football grounds!
Yes because...

lives or football

what do you want death or football

No because...

This is not the 80's anymore. There are not crumbling terraces with fans caged in by fences. There are not pay on the gate turnstiles with no restriction on how many fans are on that terrace, other than closing the gates when "it looks full to me". Football today is on a completely different level. There are no fences, there are no cages. There are strict ticket inspection procedures in place. Numbers of fans in each section of the ground carefully controlled with strict ticketing procedures. It's not even close to being like it was back then. And certainly nothing to do with standing that would result in fans being at risk. Crowd control techniques and the facilities are now on a completely different level. Technology and the game has moved on - it's about time the FLA did the same.

One read through the FLA's legislation and guidelines around standing is enough to make you shake your head constantly for the hour or so you'll be reading it. It's about time this legislation was given a wider audience and debated in public. As at the minute, nobody is allowed to challenge the FLA's stance. It's a closed shop. That has to change.

There is no evidence whatsoever that standing is a safety risk. The FLA have been asked to provide it. They never have. Lord Justice Taylor conducted an in depth investigation into Hillsborough and concluded that "standing is not unsafe" and no blame for Hillsborough can lie at the feet of standing to watch a football match.

Then we come to the most ridiculous part of the legislation. The ruling that states we cannot stand in The Premier League, The Championship or in UEFA Competitions - but those in League's One and Two are allowed to stand.

Trafford Borough Council contacted Manchester United a few years ago, stating that they were in breech of their ground regulations and safety certificate, as they had fans persistently standing in the upper Stretford End. They issued the club with a threat to revoke their safety certificate and close the stand in question. United then said "see you in court".

In order for a stand to be closed, or any action of that kind to take place, the authorities must prove in court that the action being taken is in proportion to the risks involved. Something they will never be able to do. Fans have been standing persistently in all seater grounds for years, with constant threats of stand closures. Nobody has been injured and there is not one single piece of evidence to suggest standing it more dangerous than sitting. No way to prove that the proposed closure of the stand is in proportion to the risks. There are no evidence of risks to present! Not one threat of closure has been enforced yet, and never will be. Some clubs seem to ignore the guidelines and allow their fans to stand, see the numbers standing in the paragraphs above. Other clubs pick and chose when they want their fans to stand. Every club could ignore the FLA and local council. Their legislation holds no weight or substance. It's almost make believe.

Man City's safety manager - their Ged Poynton if you like - made a statement last summer, that the club have created a singing section in the lower tier next to the away fans, and he will NOT be asking stewards to enforce them to sit. They'll be left alone to stand, as there is no safety risk with standing in lower tiers. He is 100% correct. And every game this season, City fans have stood all game, every game with no hassle from stewards. There has been no closure of the stand or threat of that from the FLA. They know they can't win. If only every club had a stadium manager like the one at Man City.

United commissioned a report into standing within their ground on the back of the threats they received from Trafford Borough Council. An independent safety "risk assessment" into the dangers of standing in their stadium. The report found that standing when entering the ground, up and down the aisles to the concourse at half time and full time, and during goal celebrations and moments of excitement - were all far more "dangerous" and likely to cause injury than standing during passive play behind an allocated seat. The FLA state the opposite within their legislation. As unless they escorted every fan to their seats individually from the turnstile, and installed seat belts on each seat - it's impossible to enforce. The standing during play issue is something they can target. It all starts to become that little bit more clear...

Trafford Borough Council and the FLA were presented with this report and it's findings as part of United's evidence to present as their defence in court. Trafford Borough Council and the FLA dropped the case and the report has been swept under the carpet. Read into that what you will.

Standing should NEVER be reintroduced into football grounds!
No because...

Standing will create a better atmosphere

Supporters will be able to go to games with friends, supporters clubs etc and not have to sit on their own next to strangers like they have to do currently. This will create a more enjoyable match day experience for those that crave atmospheric stadiums, and also, those who do not like people standing up in front of them will have a better match day experience as the people who like to stand will get their wish.

Yes because...
Standing should NEVER be reintroduced into football grounds!
No because...

Standing will make the game more affordable.

The stand up sit down campaign claim that only 11% of under 24s regularly attend top flight matches, mainly due to the prices of tickets being too much for them to afford. It is vital that young people are able to go and watch their hero's play. Standing tickets will be substantially cheaper than seating tickets, allowing young people to attend matches, and safeguarding the long term future of the game in the process.

Yes because...

You don't pay more simply because there are seats now, as opposed to terraces. Prices are determined by demand, demand will not drop for the bigger clubs if terraces are reintroduced. Even if they are dropped slightly, there is no guarantee those tickets will go to young people as opposed to other over-24s who have previously been unable to afford/find tickets.

Standing should NEVER be reintroduced into football grounds!
No because...

Standing will make clubs more financially secure.

Standing areas, do contribute to atmosphere - which in turn generates a more stable match day attendances and in turn gives a more stable financial future for all clubs that employ standing areas.

Or put another way - Introducing standing areas again will boost match day attendances and also match day reciepts.

The Bungesliga in Germany have done this for decades with enormous success recorded, all stadiums have 10 % designated standing areas, they are areas that have fold up seats so one person is sold one space with a fold up seat behind them.
This way crowd numbers are contained and managed effectiveley

This way there is no crushing, no overcrowding just plain and simply standing areas for those that want it.

As a result the German leagues have returned a higher crowd level than any other in europe for several seasons, it should be noted that no increased crowd trouble has been present at any of their stadiums and these same stadiums even allow fans to take plastic beer containers in view of the pitch.

ALLOWING STANDING AREAS ON THE GERMAN MODEL WOULD BE A VERY VIABLE ALTERNATIVE TO THE OLD DAYS OF PACKING EM ALL IN. CROWD NUMBERS CAN BE CONTROLLED IF THE GERMAN MODEL IS ADAPTED, IT IS A TRYED AND TESTED MODEL

Yes because...
Standing should NEVER be reintroduced into football grounds!
No because...

Standing is just as safe as sitting (please read)

This is not the 80's anymore. There are not crumbling terraces with fans caged in by fences. There are not pay on the gate turnstiles with no restriction on how many fans are on that terrace, other than closing the gates when "it looks full to me". Football today is on a completely different level. There are no fences, there are no cages. There are strict ticket inspection procedures in place. Numbers of fans in each section of the ground carefully controlled with strict ticketing procedures. It's not even close to being like it was back then. And certainly nothing to do with standing that would result in fans being at risk. Crowd control techniques and the facilities are now on a completely different level. Technology and the game has moved on - it's about time the FLA did the same.

One read through the FLA's legislation and guidelines around standing is enough to make you shake your head constantly for the hour or so you'll be reading it. It's about time this legislation was given a wider audience and debated in public. As at the minute, nobody is allowed to challenge the FLA's stance. It's a closed shop. That has to change.

There is no evidence whatsoever that standing is a safety risk. The FLA have been asked to provide it. They never have. Lord Justice Taylor conducted an in depth investigation into Hillsborough and concluded that "standing is not unsafe" and no blame for Hillsborough can lie at the feet of standing to watch a football match.

Then we come to the most ridiculous part of the legislation. The ruling that states we cannot stand in The Premier League, The Championship or in UEFA Competitions - but those in League's One and Two are allowed to stand.

Trafford Borough Council contacted Manchester United a few years ago, stating that they were in breech of their ground regulations and safety certificate, as they had fans persistently standing in the upper Stretford End. They issued the club with a threat to revoke their safety certificate and close the stand in question. United then said "see you in court".

In order for a stand to be closed, or any action of that kind to take place, the authorities must prove in court that the action being taken is in proportion to the risks involved. Something they will never be able to do. Fans have been standing persistently in all seater grounds for years, with constant threats of stand closures. Nobody has been injured and there is not one single piece of evidence to suggest standing it more dangerous than sitting. No way to prove that the proposed closure of the stand is in proportion to the risks. There are no evidence of risks to present! Not one threat of closure has been enforced yet, and never will be. Some clubs seem to ignore the guidelines and allow their fans to stand, see the numbers standing in the paragraphs above. Other clubs pick and chose when they want their fans to stand. Every club could ignore the FLA and local council. Their legislation holds no weight or substance. It's almost make believe.

Man City's safety manager - their Ged Poynton if you like - made a statement last summer, that the club have created a singing section in the lower tier next to the away fans, and he will NOT be asking stewards to enforce them to sit. They'll be left alone to stand, as there is no safety risk with standing in lower tiers. He is 100% correct. And every game this season, City fans have stood all game, every game with no hassle from stewards. There has been no closure of the stand or threat of that from the FLA. They know they can't win. If only every club had a stadium manager like the one at Man City.

United commissioned a report into standing within their ground on the back of the threats they received from Trafford Borough Council. An independent safety "risk assessment" into the dangers of standing in their stadium. The report found that standing when entering the ground, up and down the aisles to the concourse at half time and full time, and during goal celebrations and moments of excitement - were all far more "dangerous" and likely to cause injury than standing during passive play behind an allocated seat. The FLA state the opposite within their legislation. As unless they escorted every fan to their seats individually from the turnstile, and installed seat belts on each seat - it's impossible to enforce. The standing during play issue is something they can target. It all starts to become that little bit more clear...

Trafford Borough Council and the FLA were presented with this report and it's findings as part of United's evidence to present as their defence in court. Trafford Borough Council and the FLA dropped the case and the report has been swept under the carpet. Read into that what you will.

Yes because...


Standing should NEVER be reintroduced into football grounds!

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