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20 Nov 2008
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DEBATE: SHOULD THE GORY DETAILS OF CASES LIKE BABY P BE PUBLISHED?

There can be no doubt that the suffering endured by Baby P was unacceptable, however, should the public be divulged the details. It is a sickening picture of reality, but does it serve any purpose? Are there any moral implications for allowing the details of Baby P's ordeal to be published?





SHOULD THE GORY DETAILS OF CASES LIKE BABY P BE PUBLISHED?


The perpetrators need to be exposed


The people who did this to Baby P and allowed this to happen need to be exposed for the villains they are. It needs to be known that this is no ordinary case of child abuse. It needs to be known that the people who did this to Baby P are monsters and deserve every bit of torment they get. We have seen that in prisons, child abusers are themselves abused; this has been recently revealed about the kid-napper of Shannon Mathews (1). Cell mates hate child abusers, and they take every opportunity to revenge the child’s pain. This is no less than the step father of Baby P deserves.

(1) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1085761/Man-accused-kidnapping-Shannon-Matthews-beaten-prison.html

Do we really want to incite vigilantes? That is the effect of this argument. We should let the long arm of the law deal with these people. It is not up to society to publish vulgar stories and images in order to cause reprisals against the perpetrators.

If newspapers can find enjoyment and satisfaction (whilst making a profit) in seeing people suffer, regardless of their own vulgar acts, they are no better than the people they are vilifying.

In addition, let us not forget that the people who kill or torture children are going to top security prisons filled with murderers. The fact that these murderers are punching other inmates does not show anything other than the fact that these people have not learnt their lesson.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Yes
Strongly Yes
Mostly Yes
Partially Yes
Neutral
Partially No
Mostly No
Strongly No
Absolutely No

SHOULD THE GORY DETAILS OF CASES LIKE BABY P BE PUBLISHED?


Social services misgivings need to be exposed to stop future abuse


It is a sad fact in society that nothing gets done when details are kept under raps. Look at the effect of the details being published. People are outraged that this level of abuse happened right underneath social service’s nostrils. Subsequently there have been resignations/firings and a pending investigation. If the details were not published of Baby P’s ordeal, people would not be able to appreciate the severity of social services ‘mistake’. A small level of abuse being missed under the radar may not seem so abhorrent, but upon hearing the details, a person realizes that this is not any old form of abuse. This was a long running ordeal so severe that it is inconceivable that it was missed by social workers. This needs to be realized to incite change.



SHOULD THE GORY DETAILS OF CASES LIKE BABY P BE PUBLISHED?


It unites society


In a society where everyone is isolated and people no longer communicate within their community, an event like this coming into the light brings people together. You may not agree with a teenagers perspective, or with your neighbours parenting skills. But we all agree that what happened to Baby P should not be glossed over. We all agree that what happened was terrible and unforgivable. People do spray their views on this matter. Suddenly people are talking. Suddenly, we feel like we are part of a community which has the same moral views as we do. Consequently, people feel safer in their community. Baby P has died, no one can change that, but at least his death can be remembered and inspire community spirit. There is something that Baby P would want.



SHOULD THE GORY DETAILS OF CASES LIKE BABY P BE PUBLISHED?


Baby P should not just be generic death


Another child has died. Another number on a spreadsheet. Another statistic to be churned out.

No. Baby P’s death was not ordinary. It certainly deserves more attention that just being another digit on a screen. What happened in the short span of Baby P’s life is worth more retribution than just being another child death tallied onto a piece of paper.

Baby P was treated as a mere object all his life. We cannot change that now, but we can treat him as a human after his death. That is the least he deserves.



SHOULD THE GORY DETAILS OF CASES LIKE BABY P BE PUBLISHED?


Upsetting and alienating women


A mother’s worst fear is something happening to their child. When women hear about these things happening, they apply it to their own child and suddenly feel very insecure. Who can they trust with their children?

Women will feel angry that these pictures and gory details are being pushed in front of them. (1) There is a reason why they do not go to see horror films, there is a reason they take their children to PG films and do not show them 15 rating material. What is being published in the newspapers is frightening and should not be published for the whole country to see.



SHOULD THE GORY DETAILS OF CASES LIKE BABY P BE PUBLISHED?


Violence pornography?


We enjoy the adrenaline rush of disgust. We want to marvel in Baby P’s suffering and this is clearly not moral or dignified for Baby P. We are getting a sick enjoyment from the death of a toddler. We are indulging ourselves. Baby P does not deserve to be used to make us feel better about our lives and our parents or parenting skills. This indulgence is the reason why horror films involving children are so successful. David Pelzer’s best seller, “A Child Called it” sold millions. The only content of that book was the horrific suffering of a child. Surely this is something that we should not indulge in but should shy away from. Instead of publishing such disgusting accounts of a poor child, why not consider his respectfully, without the gory details.(1)

(1) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/janice_turner/article5158196.ece




Vote on the overall debate: Should the gory details of cases like baby P be published?

What do you think?  Vote on this debate below.
Absolutely Yes
Strongly Yes
Mostly Yes
Partially Yes
Neutral
Partially No
Mostly No
Strongly No
Absolutely No
1. The perpetrators need to be exposed
# 1

The people who did this to Baby P and allowed this to happen need to be exposed for the villains they are. It needs to be known that this is no ordinary case of child abuse. It needs to be known that the people who did this to Baby P are monsters and deserve every bit of torment they get. We have seen that in prisons, child abusers are themselves abused; this has been recently revealed about the kid-napper of Shannon Mathews (1). Cell mates hate child abusers, and they take every opportunity to revenge the child’s pain. This is no less than the step father of Baby P deserves.

(1) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1085761/Man-accused-kidnapping-Shannon-Matthews-beaten-prison.html

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07:17, 20 November 08

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# 2

Do we really want to incite vigilantes? That is the effect of this argument. We should let the long arm of the law deal with these people. It is not up to society to publish vulgar stories and images in order to cause reprisals against the perpetrators.

If newspapers can find enjoyment and satisfaction (whilst making a profit) in seeing people suffer, regardless of their own vulgar acts, they are no better than the people they are vilifying.

In addition, let us not forget that the people who kill or torture children are going to top security prisons filled with murderers. The fact that these murderers are punching other inmates does not show anything other than the fact that these people have not learnt their lesson.

admin

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07:17, 20 November 08

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Karma Score: 14



2. Social services misgivings need to be exposed to stop future abuse
# 1

It is a sad fact in society that nothing gets done when details are kept under raps. Look at the effect of the details being published. People are outraged that this level of abuse happened right underneath social service’s nostrils. Subsequently there have been resignations/firings and a pending investigation. If the details were not published of Baby P’s ordeal, people would not be able to appreciate the severity of social services ‘mistake’. A small level of abuse being missed under the radar may not seem so abhorrent, but upon hearing the details, a person realizes that this is not any old form of abuse. This was a long running ordeal so severe that it is inconceivable that it was missed by social workers. This needs to be realized to incite change.

admin

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07:24, 20 November 08

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Karma Score: 14



3. It unites society
# 1

In a society where everyone is isolated and people no longer communicate within their community, an event like this coming into the light brings people together. You may not agree with a teenagers perspective, or with your neighbours parenting skills. But we all agree that what happened to Baby P should not be glossed over. We all agree that what happened was terrible and unforgivable. People do spray their views on this matter. Suddenly people are talking. Suddenly, we feel like we are part of a community which has the same moral views as we do. Consequently, people feel safer in their community. Baby P has died, no one can change that, but at least his death can be remembered and inspire community spirit. There is something that Baby P would want.

admin

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07:30, 20 November 08

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Karma Score: 14



4. Baby P should not just be generic death
# 1

Another child has died. Another number on a spreadsheet. Another statistic to be churned out.

No. Baby P’s death was not ordinary. It certainly deserves more attention that just being another digit on a screen. What happened in the short span of Baby P’s life is worth more retribution than just being another child death tallied onto a piece of paper.

Baby P was treated as a mere object all his life. We cannot change that now, but we can treat him as a human after his death. That is the least he deserves.

admin

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07:34, 20 November 08

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Karma Score: 14



1. Upsetting and alienating women
# 1

A mother’s worst fear is something happening to their child. When women hear about these things happening, they apply it to their own child and suddenly feel very insecure. Who can they trust with their children?

Women will feel angry that these pictures and gory details are being pushed in front of them. (1) There is a reason why they do not go to see horror films, there is a reason they take their children to PG films and do not show them 15 rating material. What is being published in the newspapers is frightening and should not be published for the whole country to see.

admin

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07:40, 20 November 08

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Karma Score: 14



2. Violence pornography?
# 1

We enjoy the adrenaline rush of disgust. We want to marvel in Baby P’s suffering and this is clearly not moral or dignified for Baby P. We are getting a sick enjoyment from the death of a toddler. We are indulging ourselves. Baby P does not deserve to be used to make us feel better about our lives and our parents or parenting skills. This indulgence is the reason why horror films involving children are so successful. David Pelzer’s best seller, “A Child Called it” sold millions. The only content of that book was the horrific suffering of a child. Surely this is something that we should not indulge in but should shy away from. Instead of publishing such disgusting accounts of a poor child, why not consider his respectfully, without the gory details.(1)

(1) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/janice_turner/article5158196.ece

admin

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07:49, 20 November 08

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Karma Score: 14



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