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DEBATE: SHOULD WOMEN 'BE SEXY AND OBEY MEN'?

A self-help guide which tells women to wear sexy clothes while cooking and cleaning as well as follow men's orders has become a hit in America.The Re-education Of The Female, by first-time author Dante Moore, advises women to follow their man's orders.Despite the chauvinist opinions, copies have been flying off the shelves in the US, but is this really good advice?





SHOULD WOMEN 'BE SEXY AND OBEY MEN'?


Men will stray if they don’t get their way


Women are so worried about their man cheating on them that they are advised to do what he says in order to keep him.

If a man is likely to cheat and play away from home, if his woman is not acting sexily; he is not a man worth keeping! A man who doesn’t cheat only because his wife or girlfriend performs his every need may as well cheat. A woman cannot possibly be sexy all the time; there will be times when the woman needs comfort, not a nudge into bed! Pregnancy, the menstrual cycle and the menopause are the most natural things that can happen to a woman and they will negate her sexual wants, she will not feel sexy during these times. Therefore, it is also natural that men should accept and respect it when their wife is not in the mood!

In British Law a man having his wife against her will qualifies as Rape.


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SHOULD WOMEN 'BE SEXY AND OBEY MEN'?


You will have better luck getting a man


There is nothing that makes a man feel more strong and manly than having a woman who is passive and will do what he wants. If you have trouble getting men and are worried about being single over a long period of time then that could be the way to get yourself into a relationship

This argument presupposes that being manly and being strong are the same. A real man would not need a passive woman in order to feel like a man, a real man would respect a woman who has her own mind. A real man would not throw a tantrum if his wife was not in the mood to have sex. To be a man, you do not have to be strong, and you do not have to have a docile woman. The most masculine males are those who can capture the heart of a fiery woman and keep it.

Men do not usually have long-term relationships with women they consider to be submissive, nay 'easy'. A man assumes that if if the woman/girl is constantly following his orders in order to nab or tether him into wedlock, she would be willing to do the same for/with any other man. This admittedly does,make the man(being served) happy but not committed, she's just a trophy to brag about not someone he'll consider having more than a fling with. A woman should only be desperate,servile and drone-like if she isn't interested in something serious or long-term.


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SHOULD WOMEN 'BE SEXY AND OBEY MEN'?


If it really works then women can secretly hold power


Sure you can tell your husbands that you obey them and do what they say and dress and act provocatively for them but in reality, if that power given to them on a plate is not abused then women can hold all the power. If you do what they say and act sexily then they can think that they have all of the power, however surely you can hold all of the strings. It is not a good thing for an imbalanced relationship of any kind because a relationship, such as a marriage is based on a partnership; however, if men want obedience, then women want successful manipulation.

In this argument, it is stated that it is not good to have imbalances in the relationship, but deception in a relationship is even worse. The man would not know his wife as a person if she was manipulating him, he would only see the side she is presenting to him. How could this be good? In relationships like marriage, you are supposed to find a deeper connection, not manipulation and ‘string pulling’.

Also, in a relationship, a full partnership, there should be no power struggle! How can there be a mutual understanding of each others needs when the counter parts only want to enforce their own way?


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SHOULD WOMEN 'BE SEXY AND OBEY MEN'?


The subordination of women


The subodrination of Women is still inherent in our patriarchal society - and the fact that this book has been written by a man says it all.

Every part of our society - from television, newspapers, films and literature - attempts to "keep women in their place" by re-inforcing chauvanist ideas of "femininity" and "masculinity".

All this boils down to is the fact that men feel emasculated by women today. A woman can do everything a man can; be it have casual sex, a high power career etc.

Feminists did not burn their bras so that 30 years later Women could find themselves back where we started.

The subordination of women doesn't exist, because in contemporary times,there does not exist a patriarchal society, men and women have equal rights (or should by law).

The proposition's point relays that women should not be subordinated, since feminists fought against it for such a long time(shouldn't that be a no point?).


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SHOULD WOMEN 'BE SEXY AND OBEY MEN'?


Women's faulty judgement requires men's guidance


There is something which all women want more than anything else whatsoever. They want it more than food or drink, more than sleeping or sex, more than good health or even money. What all women want, all the time, is, to "show off." They want to "show off" to their family members, their neighbors, the Church Ladies, their high school or college fellow alumnae, and their so-called friends. We may contrast this with what _men_ "really want," which is: a pleasant and comfortable life. But women are willing to sacrifice even this, for their life-goal of "showing off" as continuously and as vigorously as possible. They are particularly willing to sacrifice the health, wealth, comfort, and well-being of whatever man is at hand for them to exploit. They do seem also to pursue money. However, upon close examination, it can be seen that this is only a preliminary goal, and that they only want the money so as to be better able to "show off."

Anyone who has had the opportunity closely to observe the actions of many women will, if they are honest and objective, have to admit that it is certainly the exception for a woman to behave in an ethical or moral manner. Generally speaking, not only is their behavior completely selfish and self-centered, but even with constant supervision, they maintain and carry out a policy and program of constant hostility and enmity towards all men. This is partly based upon a feeling of jealousy, since men are both physically stronger and intellectually more intelligent than women. One recalls that servants generally have a similar feeling of antipathy and resentment for, and jealousy of, their employers. To mention that men are generally intellectually superior to women is not to say that there may not be found some woman who is more intelligent than some particular man. This intellectual superiority of men is a fact which the psychologists, who are generally politically liberal, always take great pains to conceal or explain away, even though they know well that the data from the objective experiments in the field show this clearly. It must be pointed out, however, that women do have a native cleverness, which, when combined with their almost complete lack of ethics, often enables them to obtain victory over men. Even though they may be completely in the wrong, they have not the slightest objection against doing what one might refer to as "cheating," "lying," "theft," "taking unfair advantage," or other unethical or wrong behaviors. It can be quite shocking, when a man finds out that virtually all women think and behave in this way, and truly feel that it is alright for them to do any wrong or evil behavior, against men (such as lying) or against women (such as husband-stealing).

The argument on the left in no way deserves a serious response, and anyone who finds themselves swayed by it has clearly abandoned all pretence of rational cognition. If this appears a sweeping statement, then it is certainly no more sweeping than the assertions regarding womens' hopes, desires and mental capacities made by the aforementioned adjacent argument, the author of which - given the observations they present - offers no evidence that they have ever encountered a tangible, living, breathing woman. Every sentence in this argument betrays a mind so deeply poisoned by misogyny that it is barely worth engaging with the points made therein.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
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Absolutely No

SHOULD WOMEN 'BE SEXY AND OBEY MEN'?


Natural Order of Things


There is certainly a case to be made that women, in modern-western society have completely shattered the traditional values and roles that are best suited to them.

For example, it has always been the case that men have been the providers, the defenders of themselves, the household and the family. Women have been the maintainers of these things. These things are not unfair. They are not unequal. They are simply what each gender is best suited for.

Women should not feel lesser than men simply because they are "supposed" to do "motherly things". This is what is supposed to happen. Women, unless pressured by society/the inflation of their own ego (as is the case now for many women), feel far happier and comfortable adopting these natural roles. Imagine how a man feels when he can't provide for his family. He doesn't feel like a man. This principle applies to women as well. When they are not taking care of their family properly, they feel less like a woman.

Women should stop being jealous of men. For this is surely what it is. They would not try to be like men were they not jealous of them. Nor would they try to be like men if they had small egos. The modern woman (working/business woman) is more egotystical than that of modern man. Whilst man may seem to be more egotystical, it is so obviously that of woman given her constant striving to be "just as good as a man" which, by the way, is inherently detrimental to the feminist cause - the idea that they should try to achieve just as much as men is intrinsically sexist and antagonistic to their cause.

I don't, however, believe that women should "try to be sexy" for their man. This suggests only than men are incapable of love. This is completely false. Men should enjoy loving their partner - in which case, they will not care what they look like most of the time.

If all women were to stop wearing make-up, stop wearing slutty clothes etc., then the relativity of sexiness would remain the same. The only difference would be that you don't have to spend loads of money on making yourself (women) look better, and feeling degraded (though frankly, dressing to the point of degradation proves only that you're spineless).

There is no need to do these things. Men who really care about you don't care what you look like. The author of this book knows nothing of his own gender.



SHOULD WOMEN 'BE SEXY AND OBEY MEN'?


Be yourself


The proposition presupposes that women 'are' really submissive and want to look pretty/sexy for their man. That the only reason women are opinionated and argumentative is that they are insecure about losing or not catching their man. That women innately desire to be sexy and to have a big brawny aggressive man's man bossing them around/about (read the Bard's 'Taming of the Shrew').

If a man does not love you for being yourself then he is the one with the problem. It is all about self respect and the fact that if you are single, have been single for a long time, and do have trouble getting men then you may be attracting the wrong type of man. If you be yourself then you know that when you enter into a relationship that he will grow to like and perhaps love you for you, and then you do not have the burden of taking his orders. A lot of men actually find it sexy for a woman to be independent and strong and fiery rather than a timid little petal.


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Partially Yes
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SHOULD WOMEN 'BE SEXY AND OBEY MEN'?


It is modern day


One thing in this argument is correct; this is the modern day – but look at the state of it. Crime is rising; sexual perversion is progressing to unseen domains, the poor are getting poorer and the richer are getting richer and chivalry is dead. What is to blame for this obscene society? Feminism.

Women being given rights have alienated men who had no power in the work place and felt comforted when they had their docile wife at home. Now, all these men have to release their tensions is crime and sexual perversion.

Women now work and bring home bacon, rich men and rich woman coagulate as do poor women and poor men, so the divide between the rich and the poor is increasing. Also, because feminism has alienated males who wish to look after women, chivalry is dead; men are scared to open doors or pull out chairs for women as they fear the woman would take it offensively.

Human biology is determined by human purposes, woman have the womb and the breasts that babies need. Look where going against this biology has got us. Maybe scrapping women’s rights is the cure to our diseased society.

It has taken a long time for women to get any form of rights. Why would anyone want to throw that all away? Women are not meant to obey orders and just be eye-candy. Women are not meant, or destined to do anything, just as men are not “meant” to do anything. There are individual differences between genders and an individual may be more obedient than another, but that does not mean that they should be of X chromosome. The most important thing is not getting a man but finding out what you are good at and what makes you happy. If you feel that you want to be obedient and sexy then by all means, be obedient and sexy, just do not do it because you think that is what will make you a better woman. In addition, the claim that Feminism has caused our "diseased" society is so obviously fallacious that it barely merits pointing out: society undoubtedly has its problems, but on the whole we are more affluent, safer and better educated than at any point in our history. Much of this has been achieved through the only known bulletproof cure for widespread poverty: the emancipation of women. The claim that men who feel inferior to women must therefore find release in sexual perversion and crime is similarly ridiculous. Surely this, if it were backed up by any kind of genuine evidence, would say more about the pathetic men who cannot stand to meet their fellow human beings on equal terms than about anyone else. Finally, if a few more men must live in morbid fear of opening doors in case they are yelled at in order for a few less women to live in very genuine fear of institutionalized misogyny, then this is certainly a price worth paying.

The 'Jack the ripper' of the eighties(not the 1800s) had a submissive jobless wife and many children at home. How many men with career-oriented/successful wives commit or have committed crimes?

Research has shown that children with educated mothers do significantly better in school.


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SHOULD WOMEN 'BE SEXY AND OBEY MEN'?


The past and the oppression of women in other states


In believing and following the statement that “women should be sexy and obey their husbands” it brings back a bad recollection of déjà vu. In the past and in other cultures, such as Muslim cultures, we see that obedience is pushed and exploited. If you give someone an inch, they may take a mile. Power is not something to be toyed with.

Response: 'Oppression of women is woven into all cultures. All known societies are patriarchies – societies which privilege men. Associating female repression with Islam is inaccurate and insulting. In some Islamic societies women are repressed to a greater degree than in some Western societies – however, the opposite is also true, and no society is free from repression. All societies have expectations (and laws) governing how women must dress and behave – all societies have some kind of punishment for breaking these expectations. In this country, for example, women who have been raped while wearing short skirts have been blamed in court for their own rape, and their attackers have gone free. UK rape conviction rates are at an all-time low of 6% because of just these attitudes. Let’s not pretend that women have achieved equality in this country yet.'



SHOULD WOMEN 'BE SEXY AND OBEY MEN'?


Relationships are supposed to be mutually beneficial


The whole point of humans forming a partnership is to form a solid foundation for life. If one benefits unfairly from the relationship the relationship is not stable and therefore the foundation is not stable and relationship will not prosper.

If the male was the only one benefiting from the relationship, what incentive does the woman have to be in the relationship? Such a man would not only be an inconsiderate husband but a bad father. He would teach his sons unfair expectations of women and he would teach his daughters to be wholly submissive.

Woman can be expected to be housewives and dedicated mothers, but in return the husband would have to work hard to bring home the bacon and also be a good role model to any children. This is mutually beneficial, but not if the woman were expected to be sexy and obey their man’s every command.



SHOULD WOMEN 'BE SEXY AND OBEY MEN'?


Most men don't really want Bedford wives


Half the spark in a marriage or relationship comes from fights and arguments (the pride and shame when the spouse wins, if ever you admit it). It's nice for a few days, having a wife who always listens and is aways at your beck and call. But after that very short period, one wants a mind to grapple with and wants to share responsibility/tension/rage. Unless one is a control freak, in which case one needs help/therapy.

Generally novels,movies and short stories depict heroines as thinkers and speakers ,with a bit more 'savoir faire'/poise than their male counterparts. These women are more interested in pleasing the world ,making up for their husband's temper than just pleasing their husbands/wives. To each his own, some men/women don't want a maid/prostitute for a wife.

Research[1] : men like independent women for the grit and ability they've shown in proving their worth in the material and academic realm. Women who are responsible, run the house intelligently(yes, women always 'run' the house). Only extremely rich men can afford a bimbo(fashionable, irresponsible and dependent), miserly men (rich or poor) cannot tolerate someone like that. The other thing, men who are bossy also have a temper and if the wife is just going to put up with it then the man will continue to perpetually blow off steam mainly because of guilt arising from a non/submissive reaction.[2]

  1. ^ http://www.crosswalk.com/singles/1406033
  2. ^ http://www.scribd.com/doc/18103424/Why-Men-Marry-Some-Women-and-Not-Others




Vote on the overall debate: Should women 'be sexy and obey men'?

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1. Men will stray if they don’t get their way
# 1

Women are so worried about their man cheating on them that they are advised to do what he says in order to keep him.

admin

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04:39, 01 September 08

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# 2

If a man is likely to cheat and play away from home, if his woman is not acting sexily; he is not a man worth keeping! A man who doesn’t cheat only because his wife or girlfriend performs his every need may as well cheat. A woman cannot possibly be sexy all the time; there will be times when the woman needs comfort, not a nudge into bed! Pregnancy, the menstrual cycle and the menopause are the most natural things that can happen to a woman and they will negate her sexual wants, she will not feel sexy during these times. Therefore, it is also natural that men should accept and respect it when their wife is not in the mood!

admin

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04:39, 01 September 08

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Karma Score: 14



2. You will have better luck getting a man
# 1

There is nothing that makes a man feel more strong and manly than having a woman who is passive and will do what he wants. If you have trouble getting men and are worried about being single over a long period of time then that could be the way to get yourself into a relationship

admin

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04:39, 01 September 08

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Karma Score: 14


# 2

This argument presupposes that being manly and being strong are the same. A real man would not need a passive woman in order to feel like a man, a real man would respect a woman who has her own mind. A real man would not throw a tantrum if his wife was not in the mood to have sex. To be a man, you do not have to be strong, and you do not have to have a docile woman. The most masculine males are those who can capture the heart of a fiery woman and keep it.

admin

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04:39, 01 September 08

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Karma Score: 14



3. If it really works then women can secretly hold power
# 1

Sure you can tell your husbands that you obey them and do what they say and dress and act provocatively for them but in reality, if that power given to them on a plate is not abused then women can hold all the power. If you do what they say and act sexily then they can think that they have all of the power, however surely you can hold all of the strings. It is not a good thing for an imbalanced relationship of any kind because a relationship, such as a marriage is based on a partnership; however, if men want obedience, then women want successful manipulation.

admin

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04:39, 01 September 08

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Karma Score: 14


# 2

In this argument, it is stated that it is not good to have imbalances in the relationship, but deception in a relationship is even worse. The man would not know his wife as a person if she was manipulating him, he would only see the side she is presenting to him. How could this be good? In relationships like marriage, you are supposed to find a deeper connection, not manipulation and ‘string pulling’.

Also, in a relationship, a full partnership, there should be no power struggle! How can there be a mutual understanding of each others needs when the counter parts only want to enforce their own way?

admin

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04:39, 01 September 08

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Karma Score: 14



4. The subordination of women
# 1

The subodrination of Women is still inherent in our patriarchal society - and the fact that this book has been written by a man says it all.

Every part of our society - from television, newspapers, films and literature - attempts to "keep women in their place" by re-inforcing chauvanist ideas of "femininity" and "masculinity".

All this boils down to is the fact that men feel emasculated by women today. A woman can do everything a man can; be it have casual sex, a high power career etc.

Feminists did not burn their bras so that 30 years later Women could find themselves back where we started.

admin

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08:32, 07 January 09

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Karma Score: 14


# 2

The subordination of women doesn't exist, because in ower days doesn't exist a patriarchial society, the international law, it is said men and women have eqal rights in front of law.

admin

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08:32, 07 January 09

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Karma Score: 14



5. Women's faulty judgement requires men's guidance
# 1

There is something which all women want more than anything else whatsoever. They want it more than food or drink, more than sleeping or sex, more than good health or even money. What all women want, all the time, is, to "show off." They want to "show off" to their family members, their neighbors, the Church Ladies, their high school or college fellow alumnae, and their so-called friends. We may contrast this with what _men_ "really want," which is: a pleasant and comfortable life. But women are willing to sacrifice even this, for their life-goal of "showing off" as continuously and as vigorously as possible. They are particularly willing to sacrifice the health, wealth, comfort, and well-being of whatever man is at hand for them to exploit. They do seem also to pursue money. However, upon close examination, it can be seen that this is only a preliminary goal, and that they only want the money so as to be better able to "show off."

Anyone who has had the opportunity closely to observe the actions of many women will, if they are honest and objective, have to admit that it is certainly the exception for a woman to behave in an ethical or moral manner. Generally speaking, not only is their behavior completely selfish and self-centered, but even with constant supervision, they maintain and carry out a policy and program of constant hostility and enmity towards all men. This is partly based upon a feeling of jealousy, since men are both physically stronger and intellectually more intelligent than women. One recalls that servants generally have a similar feeling of antipathy and resentment for, and jealousy of, their employers. To mention that men are generally intellectually superior to women is not to say that there may not be found some woman who is more intelligent than some particular man. This intellectual superiority of men is a fact which the psychologists, who are generally politically liberal, always take great pains to conceal or explain away, even though they know well that the data from the objective experiments in the field show this clearly. It must be pointed out, however, that women do have a native cleverness, which, when combined with their almost complete lack of ethics, often enables them to obtain victory over men. Even though they may be completely in the wrong, they have not the slightest objection against doing what one might refer to as "cheating," "lying," "theft," "taking unfair advantage," or other unethical or wrong behaviors. It can be quite shocking, when a man finds out that virtually all women think and behave in this way, and truly feel that it is alright for them to do any wrong or evil behavior, against men (such as lying) or against women (such as husband-stealing).

admin

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09:00, 10 March 09

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Karma Score: 14


# 2

The argument on the left in no way deserves a serious response, and anyone who finds themselves swayed by it has clearly abandoned all pretence of rational cognition. If this appears a sweeping statement, then it is certainly no more sweeping than the assertions regarding womens' hopes, desires and mental capacities made by the aforementioned adjacent argument, the author of which - given the observations they present - offers no evidence that they have ever encountered a tangible, living, breathing woman. Every sentence in this argument betrays a mind so deeply poisoned by misogyny that it is barely worth engaging with the points made therein.

jazzyp

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17:10, 03 June 09

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Karma Score: 17



6. Natural Order of Things
# 1

There is certainly a case to be made that women, in modern-western society have completely shattered the traditional values and roles that are best suited to them.

For example, it has always been the case that men have been the providers, the defenders of themselves, the household and the family. Women have been the maintainers of these things. These things are not unfair. They are not unequal. They are simply what each gender is best suited for.

Women should not feel lesser than men simply because they are "supposed" to do "motherly things". This is what is supposed to happen. Women, unless pressured by society/the inflation of their own ego (as is the case now for many women), feel far happier and comfortable adopting these natural roles. Imagine how a man feels when he can't provide for his family. He doesn't feel like a man. This principle applies to women as well. When they are not taking care of their family properly, they feel less like a woman.

Women should stop being jealous of men. For this is surely what it is. They would not try to be like men were they not jealous of them. Nor would they try to be like men if they had small egos. The modern woman (working/business woman) is more egotystical than that of modern man. Whilst man may seem to be more egotystical, it is so obviously that of woman given her constant striving to be "just as good as a man" which, by the way, is inherently detrimental to the feminist cause - the idea that they should try to achieve just as much as men is intrinsically sexist and antagonistic to their cause.

I don't, however, believe that women should "try to be sexy" for their man. This suggests only than men are incapable of love. This is completely false. Men should enjoy loving their partner - in which case, they will not care what they look like most of the time.

If all women were to stop wearing make-up, stop wearing slutty clothes etc., then the relativity of sexiness would remain the same. The only difference would be that you don't have to spend loads of money on making yourself (women) look better, and feeling degraded (though frankly, dressing to the point of degradation proves only that you're spineless).

There is no need to do these things. Men who really care about you don't care what you look like. The author of this book knows nothing of his own gender.

Tim Johnston

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07:20, 10 October 09

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Karma Score: 301



1. Be yourself
# 1

If a man does not love you for being yourself then he is the one with the problem. It is all about self respect and the fact that if you are single, have been single for a long time, and do have trouble getting men then you may be attracting the wrong type of man. If you be yourself then you know that when you enter into a relationship that he will grow to like and perhaps love you for you, and then you do not have the burden of taking his orders. A lot of men actually find it sexy for a woman to be independent and strong and fiery rather than a timid little petal.

admin

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04:40, 01 September 08

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Karma Score: 14


# 2

The proposition presupposes that women 'are' really submissive and want to look pretty/sexy for their man. That the only reason women are opinionated and argumentative is that they are insecure about not losing their man. That women innately desire to be sexy and to have a big brawny aggressive man's man bossing them around (read the Bard's 'Taming of the Shrew').

NADIA999

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17:45, 15 September 09

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Karma Score: 5588



2. It is modern day
# 1

It has taken a long time for women to get any form of rights. Why would anyone want to throw that all away? Women are not meant to obey orders and just be eye-candy. Women are not meant, or destined to do anything, just as men are not “meant” to do anything. There are individual differences between genders and an individual may be more obedient than another, but that does not mean that they should be of X chromosome. The most important thing is not getting a man but finding out what you are good at and what makes you happy. If you feel that you want to be obedient and sexy then by all means, be obedient and sexy, just do not do it because you think that is what will make you a better woman.

admin

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04:40, 01 September 08

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Karma Score: 14


# 2

One thing in this argument is correct; this is the modern day – but look at the state of it. Crime is rising; sexual perversion is progressing to unseen domains, the poor are getting poorer and the richer are getting richer and chivalry is dead. What is to blame for this obscene society? Feminism.

Women being given rights have alienated men who had no power in the work place and felt comforted when they had their docile wife at home. Now, all these men have to release their tensions is crime and sexual perversion.

Women now work and bring home bacon, rich men and rich woman coagulate as do poor women and poor men, so the divide between the rich and the poor is increasing. Also, because feminism has alienated males who wish to look after women, chivalry is dead; men are scared to open doors or pull out chairs for women as they fear the woman would take it offensively.

Human biology is determined by human purposes, woman have the womb and the breasts that babies need. Look where going against this biology has got us. Maybe scrapping women’s rights is the cure to our diseased society.

admin

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04:40, 01 September 08

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Karma Score: 14



3. The past and the oppression of women in other states
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In believing and following the statement that “women should be sexy and obey their husbands” it brings back a bad recollection of déjà vu. In the past and in other cultures, such as Muslim cultures, we see that obedience is pushed and exploited. If you give someone an inch, they may take a mile. Power is not something to be toyed with.

Response: 'Oppression of women is woven into all cultures. All known societies are patriarchies – societies which privilege men. Associating female repression with Islam is inaccurate and insulting. In some Islamic societies women are repressed to a greater degree than in some Western societies – however, the opposite is also true, and no society is free from repression. All societies have expectations (and laws) governing how women must dress and behave – all societies have some kind of punishment for breaking these expectations. In this country, for example, women who have been raped while wearing short skirts have been blamed in court for their own rape, and their attackers have gone free. UK rape conviction rates are at an all-time low of 6% because of just these attitudes. Let’s not pretend that women have achieved equality in this country yet.'

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04:40, 01 September 08

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4. Relationships are supposed to be mutually beneficial
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The whole point of humans forming a partnership is to form a solid foundation for life. If one benefits unfairly from the relationship the relationship is not stable and therefore the foundation is not stable and relationship will not prosper.

If the male was the only one benefiting from the relationship, what incentive does the woman have to be in the relationship? Such a man would not only be an inconsiderate husband but a bad father. He would teach his sons unfair expectations of women and he would teach his daughters to be wholly submissive.

Woman can be expected to be housewives and dedicated mothers, but in return the husband would have to work hard to bring home the bacon and also be a good role model to any children. This is mutually beneficial, but not if the woman were expected to be sexy and obey their man’s every command.

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06:46, 03 September 08

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5. Most men don't really want Bedford wives
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Half the spark in a marriage or relationship comes from fights and arguments (the pride and shame when the spouse wins, if ever you admit it). It's nice for a few days, having a wife who always listens and is aways at your beck and call. But after that very short period, one wants a mind to grapple with and wants to share responsibility/tension/rage. Unless one is a control freak, in which case one needs help/therapy.

Generally novels,movies and short stories depict heroines as thinkers and speakers ,with a bit more 'savoir faire'/poise than their male counterparts. These women are more interested in pleasing the world ,making up for their husband's temper than just pleasing their husbands/wives. To each his own, some men/women don't want a maid/prostitute for a wife.

Research[1] : men like independent women for the grit and ability they've shown in proving their worth in the material and academic realm. Women who are responsible, run the house intelligently(yes, women always 'run' the house). Only extremely rich men can afford a bimbo(fashionable, irresponsible and dependent), miserly men (rich or poor) cannot tolerate someone like that. The other thing, men who are bossy also have a temper and if the wife is just going to put up with it then the man will continue to perpetually blow off steam mainly because of guilt arising from a non/submissive reaction.[2]

  1. ^ http://www.crosswalk.com/singles/1406033
  2. ^ http://www.scribd.com/doc/18103424/Why-Men-Marry-Some-Women-and-Not-Others

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01:17, 13 September 09

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