Could The Difficult Situation Of European Roma Be Solved By Creating a Roma State?

"The ideal solution would be if these people (Roma) created an individual state where they could make themselves useful because they understand one another the best. This community has nothing in common with our Slavic nature and life philosophy and over the past centuries we haven't come any closer," - Jan Slota, chairman of the Slovak National Party (SNS).

Could The Difficult Situation Of European Roma Be Solved By Creating a Roma State?

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Only if the Roma wanted their own state

It is not unknown for countries to have a state imposed upon them (it is however pretty unusual - the only example I can think of is Malta which for a while wanted to integrate with Britain). None the less it is potentially possible (as detailed in op point 2 I think it unlikely) that it would be in the interest of the roma people and presumably if the people of the countries they were in wanted the roma to be independent then even if the Roma did not there could be a majority wanting a roma state.

It would be a very odd situation.

"Such an idea is unrealisable. If the Roma wanted their own state they should come up with such idea, but they don't want it," - Alexander Patkolo, Roma Initiative of Slovakia.

Could The Difficult Situation Of European Roma Be Solved By Creating a Roma State?

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Where would it be?

Planet earth is pretty full, Europe, where most of the Roma are at the moment, is is a particularly densely populated area of the globe. As such there are few areas that are suitable for habitation by a large number of people it would be difficult to find anywhere to create this new state. It does not seem likely that any current state would be willing to either move its own citizens or have them transferred to a roma state. In short a state along the normal lines is not practical.

It might just about be possible to have a state that is split up (very few states are today but historically they worked ok) so many countries could give up reletively small patches of land to create the state. The downside is that such a state would not have any benefits in terms of economies of scale and would be difficult to administer. However if it was to be within Europe and part of the European Union it may be possible as there are less likely to be barriers to travel between the parts of the state and there is an overarching framework already.

The final option would be something non-territorial. This would mean the roma being able to stay where they are but having their own laws. It seems unlikely that many states would be willing to have such a challenge to their 'sovereignty' but it would be considerably easier to implement.

Could The Difficult Situation Of European Roma Be Solved By Creating a Roma State?

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Precedent

The most obvious precedent of a people being transplanted to a new state is the Jewish people moving to Israel. A move which has created fifty years of turmoil in the middle east and numerous wars and immense amounts of hate and intolerance. Such a situation is likely to happen wherever a new state is created with a transplanted people.

Could The Difficult Situation Of European Roma Be Solved By Creating a Roma State?

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Ethnic-based states are a disaster

A state for the Roma would not have to be an ethnic state, just like Israel does not have to be a jewish ethnic state - and the longer it holds out against a two state solution the more chance there is it will have to drop any pretensions to such. While Nazi Germany is always going to be brought up when the idea of an ethnic state is put forward it must remembered that it is an abhorrent outlier, most states based upon nationality do not engage in such acts, and as the USSR shows states that are based on the opposite can do just as badly.

in the year 2011 why would anyone propose an ethnic based state?! the 20th century is litered with the human carnage of this idea, including Nazi-ism's version of it.

1st, you would have to find a legal definition of a Roma person. How can this be done?! it is impossible, unless you become as racist as your oppressors. Then, 2nd, you would have to take someone's land for yourself. Again, you'd have to become as racist and colonialist as your oppressors. then, 3rd, you'd have to get other states to recognise you as legit - and again, you would have to ally yourself with same oppressors and be dependent on them for your existence and protection.

Sadly, the best way for Roma liberation is the hardest way - the freedom struggle in the country that you live in and/or the fight for the freedom to cross borders (schengen, for example). there is no short cut and these 'nationalist' ideas led people in the wrong direction and help your enemies.

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