Control orders should be abolished

Security is important and there are threats to the nation's security but we must get the balance right. People should be living in a free, open society as far as possible. The British commitment to liberty of under the law and the rule of law must be upheld in order to protect the British way of life and Control Orders where people are held without trial and without the benefit of presumption of innocence go against what our country stands for. Control orders must be abolished.

Control orders should be abolished

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Control Orders do not work

Control Orders do not work. A control order is only a punishment if you obey it, but where there's a will there's a way: if someone is truly committed to perpetrating an act of terrorism will find a way of escaping house arrest, the electronic tag or the curfew that has been placed on them. Control orders are simply not effective.

Shami Chakrabarti, Director of Liberty

Seven of the people on these orders have completely vanished. What kind of safe security policy is that? It's unsafe, it's unfair, it's un-British

There is no better way to stop terrorism. Would you rather give known terrorists even the slightest chance of freedom? Letting people passionate about killing people influence other people in the slightest way is extremely dangerous; letting terrorists speak out would glamorize their intentions. Besides, how would abolishing control orders HELP security measures? Surely that would weaken them instead? True, it is not a fail-safe solution, but it is at least better than most other solutions in use.

Control orders should be abolished

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A review has been promised

The Conservatives before the election promised a review of Control Orders and the Lib Dems promised to scrap them entirely. The people expect that the Coalition will keep its promise and scrap Control Orders.

I'm sure the people would not mind if the party instead managed to protect them better. Which is worth more; innocent peoples' lives or a promise?

Control orders should be abolished

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It is an affront on our civil liberties

Under our system people are presumed innocent until proven guilty and are entitled to a fair trial by their peers. Control Orders totally ignore basic principles upon which our entire legal system is founded and they place into question our whole way of life in Britain and they endanger the freedom of every one of us.

David Davis MP

The way of life that is most characteristic is our commitment to the rule of law and liberty under the law and part of that liberty under the law is the presumption of innocence and having a fair trial before the state punishes you; none of that is true for Control Orders

People should not be kept under conditions akin to house arrest without the prospect of a trial. People who are subject to Control Orders are kept in a perpetual limbo with no means of challenging the treatment they are being subjected to and no prospect of knowing when the Control Order might end. They cannot may not even know what they are being accused of or by whom they are being accused making it impossible for those subject to control orders to defend themselves. It is the scariest type of Big Brother State and it could happen to you.[[http://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/2010/11/why-theresa-may-should-stand-firm-tomorrow.html]]

If Control Orders are needed due to other rules we have in place then those other rules must be changed. Other methods of dealing with suspected terrorists must be used; the rules on admissibility of secret intelligence evidence could be changed, US style pleas bargaining could be introduced and intercept evidence could be used. [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11664408]]

Control orders should be abolished

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The Government must protect the citizens from terrorists

The Government needs to ensure that people are safe. There are security threats to the West as demonstrated by the recent parcel bombs in Yemen which reports have suggested were only 17 minutes away from exploding. [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11692942]] Soldiers are dying fighting terrorists in Afghanistan. MP Stephen Timms was stabbed for voting in favour of the Iraq War.

The Government has a duty to ensure that we the citizens are safe. It is not possible for us all as individual citizens to combat the terror threats which the country faces and we must rely on the Government to do so. Control Orders are a necessary weapon in the Government's arsenal to ensure that those who would harm us are prevented from doing so. Given that much of the evidence against them is not admissible in court and is secret and that sometimes there would not be enough evidence for a trial the Government must be able to use other non-court based measures to keep us all safe when they know someone is a threat.

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