Should Facebook remove the R.I.P Raoul Moat page?
Raul Moat, 37 year old father of 3, shot(She's alive) his 22 yr old ex-girlfriend and then killed her new lover before running away. He was hunted by the police all over Rothwell and was eventually found. There were lengthy negotiations before Raoul Moat turned the gun to his own head and killed himself.
The aftermath has been quite unexpected by most. There have been pages set up in admiration of this killer. The most notable of which being Facebook. This social networking site is now refusing to take the page off of their website because nothing on the page is breaching the terms and conditions of the site. But should Facebook take down the page that glorifies a murderer?
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Only sicko's support murderers
Irespective of free speech plus not a lot like the police it should be taken off,only sick gits support MURDERERS.
This does not necessarily mean the page should be taken down - messages of admiration could for example be deleted while the page is left.
He may have been a murderer, but he has a family who loved him regardless of how much harm he did. They probably do not support, appreciate or agree with his "sick" actions, but he was family. I agree its wrong to kill people but in my opinion i feel its just as sick to tell the family they have no right to mourn.
Yes remove all sick pages.
There are too many "sick" people about without glorifying idiots. It will not martyr him if it is removed as someone said but quite the opposite. Get rid.
As you say there are 'too many' then what is the point in removing just one? The internet is a free place so another would simply spring up in its place.
To be honest, i think making a big deal out of it glorifies it more than its own actual existence because you're just bringing awareness to it
Freedom of speech applies to all views
A pressure has now come on to Facebook about removing the page from their website due to David Cameron stating in his Prime Minister Questions on the 14th July 2010 that Facebook should withdraw the page. However, if Facebook now removed the page under the pressure of the Government then what can we say we have as free speech? We can say what we like so long as the Government agree with what we are saying? This surely is not how free speech works. People should be able to state their admiration of someone no matter how much or how many people disagree. We cannot allow the Government or any Minister of that Government to dictate what we can and cannot say!
"While people are free to speak; they are not free to harshly trample over other people's feelings even after the government has asked them to stop." < He may have been a murderer but he had loved ones and removing this page is trampling over their feelings. They have a right to mourn and it is sick that you would want to take that away from them. They most likely are not killers and do not support or agree with what he did, why should we make them pain any more?
But what about his very young ex-girlfriend? While the news and magazines can be (surprisingly in this case) respectful,ephemeral and silent; the Facebook page has immortalized this character leaving him revered for generations to come; fans of the page can emerge for years; decades even.
A page unlike an article is a growing construct; it cannot be stopped.
While people are free to speak; they are not free to harshly trample over other people's feelings even after the government has asked them to stop.
It will make Raoul Moat even more of a martyr.
There is already way too much publicity surrounding this crazed killer. This is a man who shot two people in warm blood. People he knew and the woman he once loved. Far from being in the public eye and conscience he should be forgotten about. He deserves to belong in no-ones memory. If Facebook were to remove the page that now stands, it will only make the senseless page even more spoken about. It will only make the supporters more adamant in their support. They may even gain more supporters as people disagree with large corporate entities like Facebook bowing to Government pressure and limiting free speech. The removal of the page will only make Raoul Moat6 a martyr for free speech – this would be untenable.
<<<If all you're concerned about is a movie being made out of this then you are fighting for all the wrong reasons
Alternatively, it could shut all these weirdos up; putting them in their place. If Facebook keeps this up he could be the next big murderer subject for an upcoming Hollywood flick.
Stand aside American psycho here comes bonkers in Britain; do we really want that?
What is being expressed is views on the corrupt police force
Whilst it may upon first look appear to be a page that glorifies a murderer, on closer inspection it is actually criticism of the police. People do not like the way the hunt was conducted. People do not like the way in which the police reacted and people do not like the way in which an unwell man was treated. The family of Moat are also thinking of launching an investigation into how the police handled the case as they say that Moat was made to feel like a caged animal and that is why he felt the only way out was to shoot himself. Given that this is the main content of the page, the page should not be taken down. We cannot take down public criticism of the way in which public institutions function. This would be the first move to a totalitarian state whereby public institutions are not allowed to be criticised. But we are a democratic state and therefore such observations should be allowed to be made and publicised.
The other way of looking at it is that a man who intended to kill until his last breath is dead and was caught by the police force before he could kill anyone other than his ex girlfriend's boyfriend.
A man who was going on a killing spree(according to his long notes about feeling like a monster in a movie(the incredible hulk) and getting no sleep) was stopped in his tracks in due time; taking only one life and his own. The police has done a fine job; in my view.
What do you think?