Affirmative action is biased and not equal in a democratic society in South Africa

I would like to gather support from People living in South Africa and outside of the Country in terms of discrimination with respect to employment opportunities, and I am confident that a broad section of the Non-White Population Groups have been affected and grossly unfairly treated by the imposing of affirmative action by the current Black Govt which supports solely the black population in South Africa. I would like to illustrate that the above mentioned groups fought hard side by side with the Blacks for equality, justice and freedom in present day South Africa, but after 16 years we have been deprived and robbed of the basic right to be employed & our black counterparts are favoured above us, even if they are unqualified to perform their duties in the roles that they have been assigned.This is unfair, unjust & acceptable.Can I please have some feedback from the community to enable me to share my personal testimony,Thankyou

Affirmative action is biased and not equal in a democratic society in South Africa

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In a recession how can we be biased to empower 'black people; only,..,in Post Apartheid South Africa?

South Africa is mineral enriched,blessed agriculturally & has a wealth of natural resources, however the present Govt is engrossed with promoting 'Black empowerment' after 16 yrs, which is highly undemocratic, there are 2other races that have not benefitted totally when the Apartheid Govt was in power,so why should these two races be subjected to a similiar situation in reverse, which is far more damaging & has a negative impact on the economy because the other 2races are also South African, they were born in this Country & have the right to a freedom, equality, justice & employment opportunties as they were also deprived of opportunities & certain careers by the former Apartheid regime, how can we continue to allow this Country to be unfairly governed & not democratically ruled by consulting the other 2parties?

Affirmative action is biased and not equal in a democratic society in South Africa

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Affermative action is only needed for so long

Affermative action should not be something that continues forever, especially when it is to increase the chances of those who are already a majority. Essentially affermative action should be used for a short time to even up any disparities resulting from aprathied, in this case to reduce the number of whites in powerful positions. However once it has been in effect for a while then there should be free competition for all. In South Africa's case Aparthied has been over for almost 20 years. This should have been enough time for affermative action to take effect.

Affirmative action is biased and not equal in a democratic society in South Africa

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Strongly disagree that affirmative action is currently correcting the wrongs of the past

Well, all I can see evidence of in present day South Africa relating to affirmative action is righting the wrongs of an apartheid era as an abuse of power, corruption & crime, breeding fear, hurt and pain to other other races, such as Indians & Coloureds. Lack of opportunties & employment for these 2races, & a waste of resources as far as employing 'Black People' in every areat of our economy. I've noticed a drop in service delivery, customer service & accountability amongst Black People in general. I will provide a few examples, I applied for a new ID in March & am still waiting in July for it to be processed, the reason being the Blacks are engrossed with the Soccer World Cup resulting in low productivity, same goes for the Police, I visited a satellite Police Station to ascertain if a vehicle was stolen, as I intended purchasing it, there were several Black Police 'officers' standing around, sitting on the desk, having casual conversations, totally ignoring me & Eating in front of me whilst they were on duty. There seems to be too many of them that are employed, sitting on their laurels & yet they shouldn't be there, they aren't productive or deserving, and their positions should be given to them on 'merit' not on the basis of their colour, the same situation at Banks, they are on 'go slows' & won't go the extra mile to provide good customer service, so no, the Indians & the Coloureds are disadvantaged & we were also 'born; in South Africa, so President Zuma, you need to review & take a stance on this before another 'Zimbabwe' is born.What about all the toy toying & strikes, whilst all the other races, like the Whites, Indians & Coloureds need to pick up the slack for these People who clamour for more salary in a recession & a lot of us in the Indian & Coloured Communities have to sit back & watch in dismay as we are unemployed!!!!

Affirmative action is biased and not equal in a democratic society in South Africa

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Affirmative action is no different from discrimination

We often hear about affirmative action but don't think about what it really means at it's core. It is taking a group (or groups) of people, whose popular reputation is that they are disadvantaged in some way or other, and giving them special rights and/or privileges. Another equivalent way of looking at this is that those outside these groups are given less rights or privileges.

For example; if a job advert says 'women and ethnic minorities will be given priority where two candidates are otherwise equal', as I have seen many times when applying for jobs recently, this is another way of saying 'a white male will not be chosen if a non-white male or any woman is deemed to have an equal skill set'.

This topic is all about framing. Another thing I would like to point out is that 'positive discrimination' is the same thing as straight up discrimination. We just add the 'positive' because we are uncomfortable with it going in the opposite direction and feel the need to distinguish between the two.

Whether something is discrimination or affirmative action depends only on popular opinion. Many Germans would have though that the early Nazi movement was more akin to affirmative action than discrimination, it is just though the events that followed and the shift in public opinion that this has changed to discrimination.

-Rob

Affirmative action is biased and not equal in a democratic society in South Africa

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affirmative action provides justice to the previously disadvantaged

Counter-argument : Most of the non blacks today who are looking for jobs had no part in the injustices to which you refer. Why should they have to pay the price for past wrongs?

You say 'We need the same centuries to correct the wrongs by the earlier regime'. This sounds like you want to take revenge (an eye for an eye), not on those who were behind the racism and injustice, but on their descendants who had no part in their choices, and on other non-blacks whose heritage has no links to the aforementioned events.

However great your sense of injustice, you are no better than those who committed these acts in the first place by being an advocate for penalising innocent people.

If we take the attitude of equal opportunity for equal talent regardless of demographic we will reach a fair and balanced equilibrium eventually. People like you are providing the argument for anti-black affirmative action in the future.

south africa is not just enriched with resources; it is enriched with resources that were stolen away during times of injustices and oppression. the fact that a black a black child could not progress did not mean that it was incapable; it was given a chance to compete for employment opportunities. children of africa could have progressed fairly well if they had a chance.
Now that we south africa is a free and democratic country, she must never forget where she comes from. we must remeber that 16 years is not enough to address imbalances of oppression for centuries. We need the same centuries to corrrect the wrongs by the earlier regime. That, as far as i am concerned, is a process of proving justice.

democracy without this form of justice is undemocratic itself, period.

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