We should be trying to avoid contact with aliens.

Stephen Hawking has warned that we should be staying as quiet as possible and keeping a low profile so that the aliens don't notice us. If they do then the results could be disastrous! However would such contact really be disastrous? and is there really any point in trying to keep a low profile?


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We should be trying to avoid contact with aliens.
Yes because...

Likely to be after resources

"“We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise/colonize whatever planets they can reach".[[Jonathan Leake, Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking, The Sunday Times, 25/4/10, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article7107207.ece%5D%5D

After all if they are advanced enough to reach us from wherever they are coming from then they are going to be considerably more advanced than we are.

They are also likely to be running low on fuel and would be ignoring us if they were not after something. That something will almost certainly be resources of some kind.

"Aliens won't travel millions of light years because their running out of resources"-unless their planet has been destroyed and they're looking for a new habitat/home.

No because...

But why should we assume the worse? They could turn out to be philanthropic beings looking for friends in the universe.

We're already fairly paranoid of alien invasions; (V the final battle)
but what about the thirst for knowledge or curiosity or evolving above and beyond selfish intentions?

We've kept a high profile; sending messages out into space hoping for someone to find us; but we haven't made contact; or if we give credence to the abduction stories; they haven't killed/robbed/raped/damaged us or anything.

We wish to explore space but it's 'primarily' for knowledge;not space colonization.

If we didn't have the problem of population explosion and limiting resources we would still be looking for life out there.

In fact; Obama has cut down on space exploration spending significantly precisely "because" we're running low on resources.
Aliens won't travel millions of light years because their running out of resources.

We should be trying to avoid contact with aliens.
Yes because...

First contact often does not go well

"If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans."[[Leo Hickman, Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens, 26/4/10, guardian.co.uk, http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/26/stephen-hawking-issues-warning-on-aliens%5D%5D This would be putting us in the position of the Native Americans rather than the Europeans. Not surprisingly first contact between civilizations even on earth has often not gone well due to differing traditions and ways of thinking. This is going to be much more the case in an encounter with aliens.

No because...

well; Columbus didn't invade America; he thought it was India.
And coined the semi-offensive/inaccurate term 'red Indian'.

So 'First' contact wasn't damaging ; his return and sharing the story with Europe was the problem.

Not everyone hearing of America/the-new-land invaded it.

We should be trying to avoid contact with aliens.
Yes because...

Aliens are almost certain to exist so we need a strategy for preventing contact on their terms

“To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational,... The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like.” Hawking believes that alien life is almost certain to exist in many other parts of the universe due to the vast scale of the universe the earth is unlikely to be the only place where life evolved. although we have no idea where that might be. There is no saying that they will have evolved on planets like us so our current way of looking for life by looking for water could just be the starting point. They may live not just on planets, but perhaps in the centre of stars or even floating in interplanetary space.[[Jonathan Leake Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking, The Sunday Times, 25/4/10, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article7107207.ece%5D%5D In practice when taken with the previous points this means that we need to be rethinking looking for alien life until we reach the point that we can be the ones that contact them rather than the other way around. At the moment making contact is 'a little too risky'.

No because...

And yet they've been kind enough not to invade us at all (at least not overtly) while we're throwing out electronic and radio signals all over the universe. Let's not forget our extensive use of Tesla's (alternate/indirect Current) electricity to light up even at night

maybe their 'evil' plan is to wait for us to finish ourselves off, but then when did we not fight? Is our primitive &suppressed survival instinct not carnal,destructive,aggressive and innate?

Think of aliens as other species. Some animals are man-eaters(and even the fiercest of those can be and have been tamed/befriended by human beings on conditional terms) and some are completely pacifist. the yes says almost certan to exist not dose exsist i respect hawking
but there is no acuall proof that other lif exsists

We should be trying to avoid contact with aliens.
No because...

We ought to at least be gathering information

Just to sit tight and do nothing does not make sense. Rather we should be seeking out these aliens even if that does not involve us making contact with them. If they are really so dangerous then we want to find them first and then be able to keep a close eye on them so that we are prepared when they do arrive at earth. The preparation time that this would give us could be vital for our survival.

Yes because...

As we currently have no information at all any attempt to gain this information might attract attention.

We should be trying to avoid contact with aliens.
No because...

Why should they attempt to mine our planet?

Dan Drezner

Why would aliens go after the inhabited planets? Ceteris paribus, I'm assuming that aliens would prefer to strip-mine an uninhabited planet abundant with natural resources than an inhabited one. Three hundred planets have already been discovered in the Milky Way, and there are "likely many billions." Even rapacious aliens might try some of them first before looking at Earth, since we are mostly harmless.

Unless these aliens have already gone through all the uninhabited planets then it does not make sense to attempt to get resources off of a planet that due to having a large number of inhabitants will resist.[[http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/04/25/how_do_you_say_realpolitik_in_klingon]]

Yes because...

If they are advanced enough, it may not matter much to them whether our planet is inhabited or not. We won't be able to stop them, or even slow them down. In all seriousness, they probably wouldn't even bother with an army. They would just dump millions of huge, automated mining devices on our planet knowing we didn't have enough nukes to destroy them and that conventional explosives would only cause superficial, automatically repairable damage.

We should be trying to avoid contact with aliens.
No because...

No way to prevent attempts at contact.

There is no way for us to attempt to prevent everyone in the planet from trying to contact aliens. Afterall there are more than 6 billion people on the planet, we cant keep an eye on them all and keeping an up with those who are dangerous, like suspected terrorists have to be more important than preventing contact with an alien race that may or may not be interested in us. If we had no official messages going out then

Dan Drezner

wouldn't Hawking's isolationist policy allow the quislings to monopolize the galactic message emanating from Earth?

[[http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/04/25/how_do_you_say_realpolitik_in_klingon]] At the same time we cant just turn off all our communication signals. We have been broadcasting our radio and tv shows, mobile phone conversations etc for decades, how would we just shut it all off and make sure nothing leaks further out to space?

Yes because...


We should be trying to avoid contact with aliens.

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3 Comments on "We should be trying to avoid contact with aliens."

Dave

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Naresh Gupta

We should be aggressively trying to contact aliens. We know that it will take far superior technology than we have or will have in foreseeable future to travel between stars. Thus, any civilization that pays a visit and can potentially cause harm to us will be far far superior civilization than us. The question that begs an answer : would such an advanced civilization find anything valuable from us. They would probably know ways to harness most of the energy of their star and would have sufficiently developed technology to create most stuff via atom assembly. It sounds rather strange that such an advanced civilization would find our “meat” or other resources interesting to come all the way to invade us. Water exists almost all over universe in some form and there are plenty of rocks with various minerals. Why to come to earth for that? Moreover, my hypothesis is that to develop to such an advanced level, civilization needs to have basic respect for life. We have in most situations. We don’t randomly go killings animals for fun. We eat them but are increasingly “manufacturing” meat in farms. I would think that in distant future, we would be totally “manufacturing” meat on farm labs. As we have advanced, the respect for life has only increased and I suspect that is the only situation in which civilizations develop.

Now, look at the positive side. Just imagine how much more we can learn from a civilization that is millions or even a billion years ahead of us. They can teach us ways to solve most of our problems – ways to harness most of sun’s energy, eliminate pollution, conquer ageing, eliminate disease etc. etc. We can learn from them about the mystery of GOD / universe / big bang / dark matter / dark energy etc. We may learn from them ways to travel faster than light. They can tell us about the pitfalls of development and any major potential disaster we should be prepared for.. again the list is just endless.

Obviously, getting all this knowledge can take time even after we make the first contact with an interesting, sufficiently developed, and benevolent civilization. We would have to decipher each other’s language and then we are limited by the speed of light. So, may take few hundred to several thousand years depending on where we spot the aliens. Unless, aliens know ways to communicate faster than speed of light and teach us the technology..

I strongly advocate that we should be increasing our investment in alien contact 100 or even 1000 times. we can’t even begin to imagine the gains of such a contact. We can move from pre-level 1 ( on kardashev scale) to level 2 or even level 3 civilization with the right contact. As for risks, i can’t see how a universe trotting civilization be of any risk to us. They probably are far beyond the resource-crunch phase.

Let’s hope we establish contact with a far advanced civilization soon enough and accelerate our progress towards level 3 civilization.

Om.

Christian

It is a matter of prudence to eliminate threats.
Extraterrestials most likely think the same and even in case they don’t, they know WE will see it this way once gained the high ground. It is imperative to annihilate all possible threat. Leaving an intelligent species alone and letting them develop interstellar travel to later possibly take the initiative is not an option.

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