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17 Feb 2010
by Dhc

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DEBATE: PSYCHOLOGICAL ILLNESSES AT HOME ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY WORSE THAN AT COLLEGE/SCHOOL

At home even a short period of illness is exaggerated to the maximum; one is scarred for life by the constant chatter and judgement of one’s condition, there is no privacy, no confidentiality and the drama never ends. In-house shrinks at colleges and schools respect confidentiality and the student/patient’s wishes; does not exaggerate anything and is fairly civilized. At home, the reason for the illness presides and family members become unbearable because of the knowledge they possess of their own guilt in the matter. The traumatic event they did not stop or one of them carried out and so on. Family generally makes matters worse unless it is exceptional (rarely).





PSYCHOLOGICAL ILLNESSES AT HOME ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY WORSE THAN AT COLLEGE/SCHOOL


A problem for two months is exaggerated to a lifetime stamp


Family members jive low blows at any opportunity. They propagate exaggerated/largely-erroneous-accounts all over everywhere, including patient history. The patient-student does not trust the shrink/therapist/psychiatrist since he/she is brought to him/her by a family member, which entails no patient-doctor-confidentiality(imperative in this field), no-accurate-histories, no protection-if-the-therapist-violates-the-patient(since the therapist is trusted by the family more than the patient).

Where as in-house shrinks in colleges

1)Are confidential,

2)know that their legal-bounds-will-be-enforced, since if the student/patient complains about them to the authorities , they `will` be investigated/liable.

3)rely mainly/solely on the student-patient`s account as should be done in collecting patient histories.

4) Hand choice/autonomy/authority in deciding whether to continue/start/end a treatment to the patient, as is legal.

5) Never stoop to labeling someone a nut-job/mental/crazy(or any equivalent word), again as is legal/professional.

And are therefore easier to trust and more conducive to a student`s/patient`s wellbeing.

Some families have helped patients along the way. John Nash`s wife did not aggravate matters for him; for example.

There are many instances in which if family/friends had not intervened the student/patient would be very nearly defeated by unsurmountable odds.

Some families are sensitive/considerate/caring not spiteful/vengeful-and-cruel and do whatever they can to make the patient feel safe/normal/happy.

Some people do not trust medical professionals - either because they do not trust authority as a whole or they are scared that they have an actual psychological problem and will be labelled with a stigmatising label or even placed on a treatment of drugs against their will or sectioned. A close friend will not do this.


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PSYCHOLOGICAL ILLNESSES AT HOME ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY WORSE THAN AT COLLEGE/SCHOOL


kith and kin with mental problems faced in dorms/boardings


are never judged/labelled/patronised/condescended since whatever happened to them , happened in the absence of family intervention. Even with them suffering for longer periods and have taken heavier medication they are from being ostracized since for the family they suffered behind closed doors.

in fact if family members include such people they become stronger label-makers/stampers because of their insecurity about their more intense/longer-lasting illness.

counter: Fellow college students with problems need not know, the college or the in-house shrink cannot tell them(legal issues); it is the responsibility of the student/patient to protect his/her privacy.

the same can be said about fellow college students with problems.


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PSYCHOLOGICAL ILLNESSES AT HOME ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY WORSE THAN AT COLLEGE/SCHOOL


in the case of problems as a result of incestuous sexual abuse by family members


mostly uncles/cousins and sometimes fathers/grandfathers/brothers the drama is better left-out that being possible only if family members are kept in the dark about the illness and its cause.

Alternatively, it may not be since the end does not always justify the means. A boy/girl could get killed before getting an a^pology or never get one but be called `crazy` for life or tormented for even suggesting such a thing even when the shrink says that there is no doubt that it happened.

Compensation, apologies,retribution etc are all part of the healing process and the initial drama may well be worth the security obtained from completing that process.


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PSYCHOLOGICAL ILLNESSES AT HOME ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY WORSE THAN AT COLLEGE/SCHOOL


as a result of intense physical/verbal abuse


by family members again.

They will never learn and will use their guilt negatively perhaps being even worse than before.

or they will resent the patient for bringing matters to that extent and slandering their reputations. They will vilify the patient in court to a dramatic extent and possibly cut off ties.

A court`s decision is not always correct, justice is not always served and mistrials are terribly damaging.

or if the patient goes to the law through the shrink; they will repent and/or face legal action.


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PSYCHOLOGICAL ILLNESSES AT HOME ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY WORSE THAN AT COLLEGE/SCHOOL



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PSYCHOLOGICAL ILLNESSES AT HOME ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY WORSE THAN AT COLLEGE/SCHOOL


no remorse, no repentance


use the crazy label to in-substantiate evidence and tamper with the credibility of the former/resultant patient. Even though the truth is known and backed by medical/psychiatric science.

counter: But the cause and effect aspect of psychiatry is not in that phase.Being an early stage does not mean no development or that certain things are not known for sure.

Truth is; there are certain elements of psychiatry mainly in the area of treatment/medication that are incomplete(since both drug treatment and thus drug tests are fairly uncommon) but diagnosis in certain areas and determining the root cause of an 'aberration' is pretty accurate.

psychiatry is in an early phase of development.Surgeons call it the 'butcher phase'.


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PSYCHOLOGICAL ILLNESSES AT HOME ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY WORSE THAN AT COLLEGE/SCHOOL


Some illnesses at college dormitories/boardings result from distance from family/friends


not all families are dependable/caring/sensitive most have the tendency to throw their problems over quiet people who don`t share things rather than attempt to delve-into/care-for the issue of the relatively quiet member.

They refuse to grasp that there is a limit to that person`s patience/tolerance/propensity for whining/pettiness/pain/violence.

loneliness is a great cause of depression and the need for family/love/security is innate. Having a supportive family to fall back upon is a viable cure and prevention for psychological problems.


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PSYCHOLOGICAL ILLNESSES AT HOME ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY WORSE THAN AT COLLEGE/SCHOOL


Always someone to talk to wherever you are.


However in colleges since the student-patient has direct contact with the authorities, is knowledgeable/responsible of/for his/her legal/moral rights and his/her shrink knows of accountability in case of violation, the patient is protected.

Where as if the family is involved even legitimate concerns by the patient are dismissed; since the shrink was a friend of the family or recommended by a friend of the family or the parents trust the shrink and not the patient, alternatively because of the family's ignorance about the illness, and that ignorance propounded by the stigma/prejudice generated by the media (which exaggerates(sometimes fabricates) fact for the purpose of entertainment) the patient's credibility is diminished, his/her legal/moral rights are also then freely stomped upon.

But on the contrary: It may solve the problem, sometimes a change of environment is best way to treat someone, the environment could be a cause for the illness.

Stress is a very general term blamed for every disease on the ethereal crust. Specific causes should be ruled out. If the environment is partly specifically responsible for a disease; changing it is better for the patient. Also if it is not, then 'no harm done'.

A disease cannot worsen; unless it is exposed to worst conditions. College is a better place for privacy,independence and treatment.

Some people feel more comfortable talking to a family member, others to a best friend at University. Some people prefer anonymous chats with organisations like Nightline and the Samaritans. Wherever you are, you can still communicate with another - either by visiting them frequently or telephone and email conversations. It is most important to have the freedom to escape to a non-stressful environment whenever you need to and to have someone you can depend on, whoever it happens to be. Both home and college can be extremely stressful places and moving from one to the other may not solve the problem.


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PSYCHOLOGICAL ILLNESSES AT HOME ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY WORSE THAN AT COLLEGE/SCHOOL


Moving is counterproductive.


on the contrary moving is suggested as part of the healing process since even if the environment does not have a direct part to play(which it does in a lot of cases), it can still trigger/prolong the illness since that is where it was contracted.

Vacations: distance from immediate stimuli/surroundings are generally recommended to relieve stress and to provide kind of control to rule out the effects of the environment factor. Virginia Woolf was taken away from London for that very reason; though her wishes for 'moving' back should have been taken into account and not be dismissed merely because she was ill(something that happens at home and not at colleges(where you the student-patient have autonomy over where you wish to live and family/friends isn't/aren't involved/informed unless you involve them by law).

Again her suicide can thus be seen as resulting from family involvement and not having the autonomy to move back to the city-noise she pined for. Thus exercising control in the only area she had it in; by committing suicide.

A serious psychological problem is not going to be solved just by moving somewhere else. Wherever you are, sudden repeated dramatic changes such as moving home are a huge drain on mental health. If the situation is critical and you are actually in danger where you live, that's a different matter, but most psychological problems are far more complicated than where you live and who you are with, they need time and effort to treat effectively.


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1. A problem for two months is exaggerated to a lifetime stamp
# 1

Family members jive low blows at any opportunity. They propagate exaggerated/largely-erroneous-accounts all over everywhere, including patient history. The patient-student does not trust the shrink/therapist/psychiatrist since he/she is brought to him/her by a family member, which entails no patient-doctor-confidentiality(imperative in this field), no-accurate-histories, no protection-if-the-therapist-violates-the-patient(since the therapist is trusted by the family more than the patient).

Where as in-house shrinks in colleges

1)Are confidential,

2)know that their legal-bounds-will-be-enforced, since if the student/patient complains about them to the authorities , they `will` be investigated/liable.

3)rely mainly/solely on the student-patient`s account as should be done in collecting patient histories.

4) Hand choice/autonomy/authority in deciding whether to continue/start/end a treatment to the patient, as is legal.

5) Never stoop to labeling someone a nut-job/mental/crazy(or any equivalent word), again as is legal/professional.

And are therefore easier to trust and more conducive to a student`s/patient`s wellbeing.

NADIA999

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13:17, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609


# 2

Some families have helped patients along the way. John Nash`s wife did not aggravate matters for him; for example.

There are many instances in which if family/friends had not intervened the student/patient would be very nearly defeated by unsurmountable odds.

Some families are sensitive/considerate/caring not spiteful/vengeful-and-cruel and do whatever they can to make the patient feel safe/normal/happy.

NADIA999

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13:22, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609



2. kith and kin with mental problems faced in dorms/boardings
# 1

are never judged/labelled/patronised/condescended since whatever happened to them , happened in the absence of family intervention. Even with them suffering for longer periods and have taken heavier medication they are from being ostracized since for the family they suffered behind closed doors.

in fact if family members include such people they become stronger label-makers/stampers because of their insecurity about their more intense/longer-lasting illness.

NADIA999

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13:27, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609


# 2

the same can be said about fellow college students with problems.

NADIA999

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14:16, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609



3. in the case of problems as a result of incestuous sexual abuse by family members
# 1

mostly uncles/cousins and sometimes fathers/grandfathers/brothers the drama is better left-out that being possible only if family members are kept in the dark about the illness and its cause.

NADIA999

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13:31, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609


# 2

Compensation, apologies,retribution etc are all part of the healing process and the initial drama may well be worth the security obtained from completing that process.

NADIA999

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13:32, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609



4. as a result of intense physical/verbal abuse
# 1

by family members again.

They will never learn and will use their guilt negatively perhaps being even worse than before.

NADIA999

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13:50, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609


# 2

or if the patient goes to the law they will repent and/or face legal action.

NADIA999

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13:51, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609



5. stigma
# 1

NADIA999

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13:58, 30 January 10

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# 2

NADIA999

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14:01, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609



6. no remorse, no repentance
# 1

use the crazy label to in-substantiate evidence and tamper with the credibility of the former/resultant patient. Even though the truth is known and baxked by medical/psychiatric science.

NADIA999

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14:38, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609


# 2

psychiatry is in a phase of development just as all sciences.

NADIA999

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14:39, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609



1. Some illnesses at college dormitories/boardings result from distance from family/friends
# 1

loneliness is a great cause of depression and the need for family/love/security is innate. Having a supportive family to fall back upon is a viable cure and prevention for psychological problems.

NADIA999

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13:43, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609


# 2

not all families are dependable/caring/sensitive most have the tendency to throw their problems over quiet people who don`t share things rather than attempt to delve-into/care-for the issue of the relatively quiet member.

They refuse to grasp that there is a limit to that person`s patience/tolerance/propensity for whining/pettiness/pain/violence.

NADIA999

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13:47, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609



2. Always someone to talk to wherever you are.
# 1

Some people feel more comfortable talking to a family member, others to a best friend at University. Some people prefer anonymous chats with organisations like Nightline and the Samaritans. Wherever you are, you can still communicate with another - either by visiting them frequently or telephone and email conversations. It is most important to have the freedom to escape to a non-stressful environment whenever you need to and to have someone you can depend on, whoever it happens to be. Both home and college can be extremely stressful places and moving from one to the other may not solve the problem.

tehexile

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19:50, 31 January 10

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Karma Score: 2102


# 2

However in colleges since the student-patient has direct contact with the authorities, is knowledgeable/responsible of/for his/her legal/moral rights and his/her shrink knows of accountability in case of violation, the patient is protected.

Where as if the family is involved even legitimate concerns by the patient are dismissed; since the shrink was a friend of the family or recommended by a friend of the family or the parents trust the shrink and not the patient, alternatively because of the family's ignorance about the illness, and that ignorance propounded by the stigma/prejudice generated by the media (which exaggerates(sometimes fabricates) fact for the purpose of entertainment) the patient's credibility is diminished, his/her legal/moral rights are also then freely stomped upon.

NADIA999

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03:57, 01 February 10

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Karma Score: 5609



3. Moving is counterproductive.
# 1

A serious psychological problem is not going to be solved just by moving somewhere else. Wherever you are, sudden repeated dramatic changes such as moving home are a huge drain on mental health. If the situation is critical and you are actually in danger where you live, that's a different matter, but most psychological problems are far more complicated than where you live and who you are with, they need time and effort to treat effectively.

tehexile

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19:53, 31 January 10

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Karma Score: 2102


# 2

on the contrary moving is suggested as part of the healing process since even if the environment does not have a direct part to play(which it does in a lot of cases), it can still trigger/prolong the illness since that is where it was contracted.

vacations, distance from immediate stimuli/surroundings are generally recommended to relieve stress and to provide kind of control to rule out the effects of the environment factor.

NADIA999

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04:01, 01 February 10

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Karma Score: 5609



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