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DEBATE: WOULD IT BE WRONG TO ALLOW COLONEL GADDAFFI’S SON TO TAKE OVER PORTSMOUTH FC?

Britain has been slowly establishing closer relations with Libya since it gave up its nuclear program. Colonel Gaddaffi’s son ... is like many with lots of money eyeing the prize of a football club in the English Premier League as somewhere to spend his millions. However these millions are earned due to his closeness to the Libyan state. And Libya itself may be improving but it is hardly a free country. But still we are a free country so should we allow him to take over a football club?





WOULD IT BE WRONG TO ALLOW COLONEL GADDAFFI’S SON TO TAKE OVER PORTSMOUTH FC?


Morals


Is it right to disregard where the money comes from? No! Money does indeed talk, but so does the actions of people with money. And I think one universal constant that most people would probablly agree on now is that people's lives cannot be bought off. No price is acceptable and if Portsmouth were offered £200million as long as John Smith was shot, most people would quite rightly be outraged, there are some things that just cannot and should not be tolerated. Sometimes ocsts are just too great to bare, and Libyiaian money may just be one such example.

the son should not be blamed/accountable for the sins of the father.


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WOULD IT BE WRONG TO ALLOW COLONEL GADDAFFI’S SON TO TAKE OVER PORTSMOUTH FC?


Public reaction


The recent case of the freed (accused and convicted) Lockerbie bomber being, Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi, showed the deep upset that is felt by the victims of that tradegy. Then when it emerged that potentially was related to trade talks between Libyia and the United Kingdom, the outcry was large. Clearly closer ties with Libyia, a country that welcomed home like a hero a convicted mass murderer would not be popular with people generally. And the public senstivities should be, if not at the forefront, still an important point to bear in mind.

All that has died-down/cooled-off now; so it could not have been very significant an upheaval/protest.


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WOULD IT BE WRONG TO ALLOW COLONEL GADDAFFI’S SON TO TAKE OVER PORTSMOUTH FC?


Home ownership


Football clubs are very sadly now becoming dominated by foriegn owners who have little affinity with that particular club and see the investment potential as more important. Clubs that have owners who have a strong affinity with the team is becoming rare. This is a shame because it takes some of the community away from football clubs, if you want to see an example of this you only have to look at lower league clubs where the cahirman and the fans have a good working relationship. The fans support the chairman and the chairman caters for the fans. This link becomes broken and the club loses a strong part of what makes its soul. This normally leads downwards as can be seen by Southampton, Stoke City while they had foriegn owners and indeed Portsmouth's current plight. Such activity should really be discouraged.



WOULD IT BE WRONG TO ALLOW COLONEL GADDAFFI’S SON TO TAKE OVER PORTSMOUTH FC?


Need for money


First and foremost Portsmouth are in dire straits. They have on numerous occasions failed to pay their players and staff wages on times. This season they have been part of two takeovers. First Sulaiman Al Fahim tookover the club, and then when none of his 'finacial backing' materialized, it was sold on to Ali al-Faraj and yet the same sorry story continued. Portsmouth need the money and some stability. Despite selling Jermain Defoe, Lassana Diara, Peter Crouch, Niko Kranjicar and Glenn Johnsonfor a combined total of around £70 million ( and thats not the only players who have left) They are still struggling to pay off their tax bills and have a transfer embargo looming over them. The money that fresh investment could bring is essential for such a struggling club



WOULD IT BE WRONG TO ALLOW COLONEL GADDAFFI’S SON TO TAKE OVER PORTSMOUTH FC?


Clubs in danger


Sadly football has been hit hard recently with many clubs struggling to survive. Manchester united, one of the biggest clubs in the world, are heavily in debt, as are Liverpool, Crystal Palace have just entered administration, West Ham Utd. are heavily in debt, Chester have just been put on sale for £1, Cardiff face a huge tax bill and you realise that many football clubs are really struggling. This is worrying because of the important place a football club plays in the history and culture of an area, and it still means a lot to the 18,000 people who attend to see their team. So a club disapperaing is sad, and sometimes the only way to ensure that does not happen is to find fresh investment from somewhere.



WOULD IT BE WRONG TO ALLOW COLONEL GADDAFFI’S SON TO TAKE OVER PORTSMOUTH FC?


Liberty


This should be the first calling point for any discussion on a country that will allow a website like this to be active. Liberty is one of the most important facets of Great Britain and one that is all too readily being undermined. To allow something to be blocked on the grounds that the money comes from a ocuntry that is not free would be akin to a Baileys not making a chocolate version of its drink because chocolate could potentially be harzadours to your health. While thae actions of a Libyian government may make ourselves feel somewhat uncomfortable, we should be open to show what really matters.




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1. Morals
# 1

Is it right to disregard where the money comes from? No! Money does indeed talk, but so does the actions of people with money. And I think one universal constant that most people would probablly agree on now is that people's lives cannot be bought off. No price is acceptable and if Portsmouth were offered £200million as long as John Smith was shot, most people would quite rightly be outraged, there are some things that just cannot and should not be tolerated. Sometimes ocsts are just too great to bare, and Libyiaian money may just be one such example.

caesarion

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21:22, 29 January 10

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Karma Score: 115


# 2

the son should not be blamed/accountable for the sins of the father.

NADIA999

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14:05, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609



2. Public reaction
# 1

The recent case of the freed (accused and convicted) Lockerbie bomber being, Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi, showed the deep upset that is felt by the victims of that tradegy. Then when it emerged that potentially was related to trade talks between Libyia and the United Kingdom, the outcry was large. Clearly closer ties with Libyia, a country that welcomed home like a hero a convicted mass murderer would not be popular with people generally. And the public senstivities should be, if not at the forefront, still an important point to bear in mind.

caesarion

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21:26, 29 January 10

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Karma Score: 115


# 2

All that has died-down/cooled-off now; so it could not have been very significant an upheaval/protest.

NADIA999

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14:07, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609



3. Home ownership
# 1

Football clubs are very sadly now becoming dominated by foriegn owners who have little affinity with that particular club and see the investment potential as more important. Clubs that have owners who have a strong affinity with the team is becoming rare. This is a shame because it takes some of the community away from football clubs, if you want to see an example of this you only have to look at lower league clubs where the cahirman and the fans have a good working relationship. The fans support the chairman and the chairman caters for the fans. This link becomes broken and the club loses a strong part of what makes its soul. This normally leads downwards as can be seen by Southampton, Stoke City while they had foriegn owners and indeed Portsmouth's current plight. Such activity should really be discouraged.

caesarion

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21:42, 29 January 10

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Karma Score: 115



1. Need for money
# 1

First and foremost Portsmouth are in dire straits. They have on numerous occasions failed to pay their players and staff wages on times. This season they have been part of two takeovers. First Sulaiman Al Fahim tookover the club, and then when none of his 'finacial backing' materialized, it was sold on to Ali al-Faraj and yet the same sorry story continued. Portsmouth need the money and some stability. Despite selling Jermain Defoe, Lassana Diara, Peter Crouch, Niko Kranjicar and Glenn Johnsonfor a combined total of around £70 million ( and thats not the only players who have left) They are still struggling to pay off their tax bills and have a transfer embargo looming over them. The money that fresh investment could bring is essential for such a struggling club

caesarion

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20:57, 29 January 10

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Karma Score: 115



2. Clubs in danger
# 1

Sadly football has been hit hard recently with many clubs struggling to survive. Manchester united, one of the biggest clubs in the world, are heavily in debt, as are Liverpool, Crystal Palace have just entered administration, West Ham Utd. are heavily in debt, Chester have just been put on sale for £1, Cardiff face a huge tax bill and you realise that many football clubs are really struggling. This is worrying because of the important place a football club plays in the history and culture of an area, and it still means a lot to the 18,000 people who attend to see their team. So a club disapperaing is sad, and sometimes the only way to ensure that does not happen is to find fresh investment from somewhere.

caesarion

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21:04, 29 January 10

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Karma Score: 115



3. Liberty
# 1

This should be the first calling point for any discussion on a country that will allow a website like this to be active. Liberty is one of the most important facets of Great Britain and one that is all too readily being undermined. To allow something to be blocked on the grounds that the money comes from a ocuntry that is not free would be akin to a Baileys not making a chocolate version of its drink because chocolate could potentially be harzadours to your health. While thae actions of a Libyian government may make ourselves feel somewhat uncomfortable, we should be open to show what really matters.

caesarion

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21:30, 29 January 10

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Karma Score: 115



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