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18 Feb 2010
by Booji

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Yes:

67%

No:

33%

Neutral:

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DEBATE: SHOULD WOMEN BE ALLOWED ON THE FRONT LINE?

In a time when men and women now have equal opportunities, with both men and women serving in the Armed Forces, why is it that women are still technically barred from fighting on the front line?





SHOULD WOMEN BE ALLOWED ON THE FRONT LINE?


Equality Between the Sexes


Women have been fighting for equal rights for many years. Yet, there is still a stigma about them being allowed to fight alongside men on the front line. Why? Women are just as intelligent, strong and as capable as men. So why should a persons gender determine what they can and cannot do?

In a warzone, however, the enemy are not so judging. Private Eleanor Dlugosz, who was killed by a bomb in Basra, was the first British servicewoman to be killed in action in Afghanistan. Although not technically on the front line, Private Dlugosz, as part of the Intelligence Corps, carried out 'one of the most delicate and dangerous jobs in Afghanistan, collecting precious information, making local contacts and trying to win over the Afghan population to British counter-insurgency efforts'.

Thus, women may even prove to be better than men in some certain situations. Defence Experts have found that it is easier to gain the trust of Afghan women and help in schools if they are approached by a female soldier. Being able to identify with each other allows for easier communication.

Although it must be said that there are some differences between the sexes, for example men are physically stronger than most women, strength isn't always a factor. The only strength that matters is strength of mind and heart. Women can be just as fit as the men. Their gender shouldn't have to be an issue. I have heard arguments that perhaps women have an effect on the men that could cause them to risk their own lives to save a woman's. Chivalry is not dead yet. Some have said that although all deaths affect the ones serving alongside them, perhaps a woman's death causes a deeper pain. I once heard, 'Men and women will never be equal in life until they are equal in death too'. However, Jo Salter, the RAF’s first female fighter pilot, disagrees saying“It’s always so sad when there’s any death at all. Gender isn’t the issue.”

In my view, there isn't really much that a man can do that a woman can't. If she has chosen to join the Armed Forces she is well aware what could face her. I see know reason why she should be stopped from helping the war effort on the front line due to something she has no control over.

In Afghanistan and Iraq though local women are kinder to or friendlier with female soldiers; the men are harsher with women soldiers and more likely to attack,rape,kill, kidnap and/or harass female soldiers than male soldiers.

We must not forget the BBC televised treatment of women in blue shuttlecock Burqahs/veils/shrouds on the streets of Taliban-ruled Afghanistan.


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SHOULD WOMEN BE ALLOWED ON THE FRONT LINE?


Irrelevant differences.


As a person with a disability that affects my social skills, nothing annoys me more than people dismissing me out of hand as a potential employee because I'm terrible at face-to-face interviews, when the job I'm applying for has no contact with humans necessary to do the job that is at all simulated in an interview.

Like any job, soldiers should not be picked for the front line based upon irrelevant differences. If a soldier has the physical and mental qualities necessary to handle it, they should be selected. Many women may not be physically strong enough or emotionally resilient enough to fight on the front line. A lot of men aren't either, it is a tough job, exceptional people are needed. To discount someone immediately for being female is to lose out on a potential candidate.

That women are necessary for the survival of the human race is technically a relevant difference, as soldiers on the front line are so much more likely to die than people performing other jobs, but the reality is that we aren't short of women, men are declining, and women are no more going to suddenly all want to fight on the front lines than they are going to want to do any other job, so its not going to put a statistically noticeable dent in the population.

If motherhood is a relevant difference, so is fatherhood, and childless women still have no reason not to fight on the front lines.

Certain differences such as motherhood or unwed motherhood are relevant. The death of such a female soldier would be an even more incredible loss for her family and children than otherwise.

No customer contact is unequivocal to no human contact.


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SHOULD WOMEN BE ALLOWED ON THE FRONT LINE?


It Is Discriminatory to Bar Women from Combat


If a woman wants to go to the front line and fight, she should be able to have the power to make her own decision, just like a man can. It is sexist to say that only men can fight on the front lines, and deny women equal opportunities in the military.



SHOULD WOMEN BE ALLOWED ON THE FRONT LINE?


Chivalry is not dead yet


Overriding base instincts is what makes us humans, not animals. If we allowed 'its a base instinct, I can't help it' to be a valid justification, we would allow all sorts of bestial behaviour.

A relationship where one person is overly protective is not necessarily positive. It is a one-sided relationship that makes women feel uncomfortable. It can lead to a woman being trapped in a position they can't get out of and owing a debt they shouldn't have had to get into and can't repay.

Women and men work together in other areas without it affecting their judgement, often in very stressful roles such as police officers and paramedics. There are guidelines in every job for personal relationships and other aspects of non-work life affecting work. Why would it not work with soldiers?

Soldiers on the front line work very closely together and form very intense personal relationships with each other, they are relying on each other in situations of life and death where very strong emotions crop up all the time, they justifiably all want to protect each other in order to survive, if they can't work properly under pressure of strong emotions they won't survive anyway.

Men can be raped too. They are psychologically scarred by the experience just as much as women, nobody should be raped, no matter who they are.

Although our society has progressed to allow both men and women to have equal opportunities, it is hard to override the basic instincts that a man may have to act as a 'protector'.

It can be said that if women were allowed on the front line then perhaps they would distract the men. Men may be more prone to look out for their female colleagues perhaps at the expense of their own life or others around them.

There is also an issue of emotions clouding their judgement. If soldiers on the front line were mixed then it would be inevitable that relationships would be formed. This could lead to problems as soldiers will become more focused on the safety of their partner than on the job in hand. On the other hand, if a relationship ended badly, it would clearly affect their working lives.

Another problem that was brought to my attention was the issue of hostages. Although women can be just as mentally strong etc as their male counterparts, there is a difference. Women, unfortunately, could be subjected to rape as well as torture while in the custody of our enemies. This leaves them with much more than physical scars which may never heal properly. Perhaps women should not be on the front line as men are perceived to be better at coping with the aftermath of torture and death. Everyone feels the pain when they lose one of their friends. The servicemen and women all live, eat, sleep, work together, creating a very strong bond between them. Men, however, might be able to cope better when faced with the loss of one of them than a woman. Women are stereotypically more sensitive and may struggle to separate themselves enough to ensure that no more losses are caused.

Women should not be allowed on the front line as I believe that men would go out of their way to 'protect' their female colleagues which could endanger not only themselves and those around them, but it could jeoporadise their mission. Also, I do not believe that women can cope as easily as men when faced with torture and death. Thus, I fully support men and women being in the Armed Forces but the reasons above women should still be kept back from the front line.


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SHOULD WOMEN BE ALLOWED ON THE FRONT LINE?


A lot of female soldiers are mothers


Fathers are equally important to their children. It is sexist to say that men are less important to their children than women are; and, most certainly it is sexist to say that the deaths of women are more tragic than the deaths of men.

This is no excuse to dismiss women from their duties, in fighting for their country. A person has more responsibilities in their life than just taking care of their family; and, protecting one's country is one of them. Women are more than just mothers, and men are more than just soldiers. We must recognize and honer that.

And while children need fathers a great deal; the need for a mother trumps the need for a father.It`s a greater tragedy when a mother dies; given her more important parental role.

Many female soldiers are unwed mothers, making the problem even more dire. unwed fathers are again play a less significant role than unwed mothers in the future/rearing of children/families.


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1. Equality Between the Sexes
# 1

Women have been fighting for equal rights for many years. Yet, there is still a stigma about them being allowed to fight alongside men on the front line. Why? Women are just as intelligent, strong and as capable as men. So why should a persons gender determine what they can and cannot do?

In a warzone, however, the enemy are not so judging. Private Eleanor Dlugosz, who was killed by a bomb in Basra, was the first British servicewoman to be killed in action in Afghanistan. Although not technically on the front line, Private Dlugosz, as part of the Intelligence Corps, carried out 'one of the most delicate and dangerous jobs in Afghanistan, collecting precious information, making local contacts and trying to win over the Afghan population to British counter-insurgency efforts'.

Thus, women may even prove to be better than men in some certain situations. Defence Experts have found that it is easier to gain the trust of Afghan women and help in schools if they are approached by a female soldier. Being able to identify with each other allows for easier communication.

Although it must be said that there are some differences between the sexes, for example men are physically stronger than most women, strength isn't always a factor. The only strength that matters is strength of mind and heart. Women can be just as fit as the men. Their gender shouldn't have to be an issue. I have heard arguments that perhaps women have an effect on the men that could cause them to risk their own lives to save a woman's. Chivalry is not dead yet. Some have said that although all deaths affect the ones serving alongside them, perhaps a woman's death causes a deeper pain. I once heard, 'Men and women will never be equal in life until they are equal in death too'. However, Jo Salter, the RAF’s first female fighter pilot, disagrees saying“It’s always so sad when there’s any death at all. Gender isn’t the issue.”

In my view, there isn't really much that a man can do that a woman can't. If she has chosen to join the Armed Forces she is well aware what could face her. I see know reason why she should be stopped from helping the war effort on the front line due to something she has no control over.

Steph21

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20:03, 27 January 10

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Karma Score: 45


# 2

In Afghanistan and Iraq though local women are kinder to or friendlier with female soldiers; the men are harsher with women soldiers and more likely to attack,rape,kill, kidnap and/or harass female soldiers than male soldiers.

We must not forget the BBC televised treatment of women in blue shuttlecock Burqahs/veils/shrouds on the streets of Taliban-ruled Afghanistan.

NADIA999

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12:20, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609



2. Irrelevant differences.
# 1

As a person with a disability that affects my social skills, nothing annoys me more than people dismissing me out of hand as a potential employer because I'm terrible at face-to-face interviews, when the job I'm applying for has no customer contact.

Like any job, soldiers should not be picked for the front line based upon irrelevant differences. If a soldier has the physical and mental qualities necessary to handle it, they should be selected. Many women may not be physically strong enough or emotionally resilient enough to fight on the front line. A lot of men aren't either, it is a tough job, exceptional people are needed. To discount someone immediately for being female is to lose out on a potential candidate.

tehexile

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21:57, 27 January 10

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Karma Score: 2102


# 2

Certain differences such motherhood or unwed motherhood are relevant. The death of such a female soldier would be an even more incredible loss for her family and children than otherwise.

No customer contact is unequivocal to no human contact.

NADIA999

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12:27, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609



3. It Is Discriminatory to Bar Women from Combat
# 1

If a woman wants to go to the front line and die, she should be able to have the power to make her own decision just like a man can. WOOT WOOT! go America..

kenzi

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13:07, 18 February 10

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Karma Score: 11



1. Chivalry is not dead yet
# 1

Although our society has progressed to allow both men and women to have equal opportunities, it is hard to override the basic instincts that a man may have to act as a 'protector'.

It can be said that if women were allowed on the front line then perhaps they would distract the men. Men may be more prone to look out for their female colleagues perhaps at the expense of their own life or others around them.

There is also an issue of emotions clouding their judgement. If soldiers on the front line were mixed then it would be inevitable that relationships would be formed. This could lead to problems as soldiers will become more focused on the safety of their partner than on the job in hand. On the other hand, if a relationship ended badly, it would clearly affect their working lives.

Another problem that was brought to my attention was the issue of hostages. Although women can be just as mentally strong etc as their male counterparts, there is a difference. Women, unfortunately, could be subjected to rape as well as torture while in the custody of our enemies. This leaves them with much more than physical scars which may never heal properly. Perhaps women should not be on the front line as men are perceived to be better at coping with the aftermath of torture and death. Everyone feels the pain when they lose one of their friends. The servicemen and women all live, eat, sleep, work together, creating a very strong bond between them. Men, however, might be able to cope better when faced with the loss of one of them than a woman. Women are stereotypically more sensitive and may struggle to separate themselves enough to ensure that no more losses are caused.

Women should not be allowed on the front line as I believe that men would go out of their way to 'protect' their female colleagues which could endanger not only themselves and those around them, but it could jeoporadise their mission. Also, I do not believe that women can cope as easily as men when faced with torture and death. Thus, I fully support men and women being in the Armed Forces but the reasons above women should still be kept back from the front line.

Steph21

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20:21, 27 January 10

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Karma Score: 45


# 2

Overriding base instincts is what makes us humans, not animals. If we allowed 'its a base instinct, I can't help it' to be a valid justification, we would allow all sorts of bestial behaviour.

A relationship where one person is overly protective is not necessarily positive. It is a one-sided relationship that makes women feel uncomfortable. It can lead to a woman being trapped in a position they can't get out of and owing a debt they shouldn't have had to get into and can't repay.

Women and men work together in other areas without it affecting their judgement, often in very stressful roles such as police officers and paramedics. There are guidelines in every job for personal relationships and other aspects of non-work life affecting work. Why would it not work with soldiers?

Soldiers on the front line work very closely together and form very intense personal relationships with each other, they are relying on each other in situations of life and death where very strong emotions crop up all the time, they justifiably all want to protect each other in order to survive, if they can't work properly under pressure of strong emotions they won't survive anyway.

Men can be raped too. They are psychologically scarred by the experience just as much as women, nobody should be raped, no matter who they are.

tehexile

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21:47, 27 January 10

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Karma Score: 2102



2. A lot of female soldiers are mothers
# 1

And while children need fathers a great deal; the need for a mother trumps the need for a father.It`s a greater tragedy when a mother dies; given her more important parental role.

Many female soldiers are unwed mothers, making the problem even more dire. unwed fathers are again play a less significant role than unwed mothers in the future/rearing of children/families.

NADIA999

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12:14, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609


# 2

fathers are important too, mother soldiers have people taking care of their children at home.

NADIA999

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12:29, 30 January 10

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Karma Score: 5609



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