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DEBATE: THE LIB DEMS ARE RIGHT TO DROP THEIR EXPENSIVE PROMISES.

The liberal democrats have always been known for their expensive populist pledges such as no tuition fees for University students and free childcare however such policies do not fit with our current age of political austerity. So the liberal democrats are hoping that dropping the pledges will make them seem more decisive and electable, necessary for a party that may yet hold the balance after the election. However all of this may be pointless if they do not come up with a general plan to show that they will cut the deficit, not that either of the other major parties have done so yet so they have time.





THE LIB DEMS ARE RIGHT TO DROP THEIR EXPENSIVE PROMISES.


It reflects our dire financial position


As Clegg passionately put across in the City of London, money is no longer growing on trees, cuts have to be made and the public are aware of this. The Lib Dems made a wise move in cutting their spending by £18 billion. People do not want to a see a Government be generous with money they do not possess. This is the contentious issue between the electorate and the Government at the moment; how have you got us into so much debt. With the Lib Dems showing that they are cutting back spending they are showing the public a commitment to the plan of halving the public debt in four years time and this will ultimately please the public.

The Lib Dems had sidelined with the Government and agreed that the goal is to half the public debt with a timeline of four years. Despite the Lib Dems promising to cut spending, they have not said how they will reduce the debt. Stephen Timms, the Treasury financial secretary, criticized the speech of Nick Clegg and stated that although he stated he would stop spending money, he did not detail, how he would reduce the deficit by a single penny. This would have won the Lib Dems far more credit than axing foundational spending principals of the Party.


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THE LIB DEMS ARE RIGHT TO DROP THEIR EXPENSIVE PROMISES.


Honesty to the electorate


Nick Clegg stated that behind his decision to announce such tax cuts before an approaching election was to be honest to the electorate. In times of financial crisis, we need to have a succinct knowledge of what each party intends to spend their budget on and where the cuts are going to be made. Only on the electorate knowing this information can they make an informed choice about what party they would like to lead them out of the recession. Announcing these proposals so far in advance of the election allows the public to ponder over the issues. This is far better than the cuts being announced after a party has been elected in after only stating where they will spend their money.

There is no honesty in being vague and aloof. The Liberal Democrats have stated that they will maintain their pledge to scrap tuition fees for students, but this was only after a revolt at a party conference over the matter. Given that they did want to drop the policy and then they reinstated it, the position on the matter is yet again unclear. Wes Streeting, president of the National Union of Students stated that the Liberal Democrats for too long have been vague on this subject matter and given the financial crisis, straight promises are going to have to be made in order for students to believe in their ‘honesty’[1].
  1. ^ http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/11/nick-clegg-spending-liberal-democrats


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THE LIB DEMS ARE RIGHT TO DROP THEIR EXPENSIVE PROMISES.


Honesty to market traders


With an economy as fragile and volatile as ours is now, we need to have some certainty as to where money is going to be spent and what industries are going to be benefitted or hindered via Government spending. This information is needed for market traders to prepare and for analysts to assess the plans and think of contingency plans to deal with them. The Liberal Democrats have been the first party to come out and state where they are making their big cut backs. It is a dangerous move to be the first party to do so, but for the market traders, they need to know where a potential Government is heading so they can plan ahead.



THE LIB DEMS ARE RIGHT TO DROP THEIR EXPENSIVE PROMISES.


Lib dems are only used as benchmarks


The whole point of having a third party like the Lib Dems is that they are extremely unlikely to come into office to implement their policies. Therefore, the poicies that they set out in the election campaigns are merely to keep the other parties on their toes. The Liberal Democrats, although they will not be elected themselves are a great benchmark for other parties, many marginal seats are won by the Lib Dems because people are not happy with the proposals of the two main parties. This can be seen by them winning many University constituencies. The two main parties use the Lib Dems as a benchmark for their own policies and try to win these marginal seats by being in competition with them. But the Lib Dems have set a very low benchmark, they have cut spending on everything important to the public and have failed to show us how this helps the economy in general. This leads the way for Labour and the conservatives to do exactly the same thing.



THE LIB DEMS ARE RIGHT TO DROP THEIR EXPENSIVE PROMISES.


They still do not have a vision for our country, just a list of objectives


Nick Clegg’s proposals have no back bone. There is no one overriding policy. There is no direction. The shopping list which they criticised Labour for creating in order to win over the electorate, they have just gone through and put a line through items on the list rather randomly, then scrawled a few extras on the bottom of it.

Nick Clegg had to return to the scrapping of tuition fees but put forward the modest proposal of ‘scaling back the idea to a different time scale’. This has no clarity and is far from a promise to keep to traditional Lib Dem ideologies.

How can cutting NHS spending whilst increasing school spending be compelled together when ill children cannot attend school and it is more likely that children from lower income families, the students Nick Clegg wants to help, are more likely to be ill? The cuts and spends do not form one cohesive web and therefore if adopted Britain would fall out.



THE LIB DEMS ARE RIGHT TO DROP THEIR EXPENSIVE PROMISES.


They are spending the money elsewhere!!!


Whilst Nick Clegg is planning on cutting back spending on the NHS, care schemes and student fees, he is also planning on raising the tax free threshold to £10,000. They estimate this policy alone to cost £16.5 billion; this renders the savings of £18 billion redundant. In addition, the Labour treasury stated that the true cost of implementing such a scheme will be more like £22 billion. This policy does not only help those on lowest incomes as Nick Clegg would have us believe, but also high earners. When other policies are being cut back which do just help those on lower incomes, such as the free personal care for the elderly, such cuts cannot be justified.



THE LIB DEMS ARE RIGHT TO DROP THEIR EXPENSIVE PROMISES.


Cutting £2 billion off of the NHS


When threats of swine flu and the MRSA bug are still ongoing, how can such a large cut in spending on our healthcare system be justified?

Even the training of our doctors is currently being compromised. During doctor training doctors only fill out four or five prescription forms and this leads to doctors making mistakes in one in ten prescriptions. In order to resolve this issue alone, Government money needs to be funded to aid prescription training for doctors.[1]

We have also heard about how the funding for dementia is significantly below that of cancer and other diseases. Surely we should aim to level out the funding to different afflictions via increasing the spending on such diseases to the level of other diseases, not by cutting everything back!
  1. ^ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6810112/NHS-faces-potentially-serious-problems-from-wrong-prescriptions-on-the-NHS.html




Vote on the overall debate: The Lib Dems are right to drop their expensive promises.

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1. It reflects our dire financial position
# 1

As Clegg passionately put across in the City of London, money is no longer growing on trees, cuts have to be made and the public are aware of this. The Lib Dems made a wise move in cutting their spending by £18 billion. People do not want to a see a Government be generous with money they do not possess. This is the contentious issue between the electorate and the Government at the moment; how have you got us into so much debt. With the Lib Dems showing that they are cutting back spending they are showing the public a commitment to the plan of halving the public debt in four years time and this will ultimately please the public.

LLBlynch

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13:26, 15 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699


# 2

The Lib Dems had sidelined with the Government and agreed that the goal is to half the public debt with a timeline of four years. Despite the Lib Dems promising to cut spending, they have not said how they will reduce the debt. Stephen Timms, the Treasury financial secretary, criticized the speech of Nick Clegg and stated that although he stated he would stop spending money, he did not detail, how he would reduce the deficit by a single penny. This would have won the Lib Dems far more credit than axing foundational spending principals of the Party.

LLBlynch

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13:27, 15 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699



2. Honesty to the electorate
# 1

Nick Clegg stated that behind his decision to announce such tax cuts before an approaching election was to be honest to the electorate. In times of financial crisis, we need to have a succinct knowledge of what each party intends to spend their budget on and where the cuts are going to be made. Only on the electorate knowing this information can they make an informed choice about what party they would like to lead them out of the recession. Announcing these proposals so far in advance of the election allows the public to ponder over the issues. This is far better than the cuts being announced after a party has been elected in after only stating where they will spend their money.

LLBlynch

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13:36, 15 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699


# 2

There is no honesty in being vague and aloof. The Liberal Democrats have stated that they will maintain their pledge to scrap tuition fees for students, but this was only after a revolt at a party conference over the matter. Given that they did want to drop the policy and then they reinstated it, the position on the matter is yet again unclear. Wes Streeting, president of the National Union of Students stated that the Liberal Democrats for too long have been vague on this subject matter and given the financial crisis, straight promises are going to have to be made in order for students to believe in their ‘honesty’[1].
  1. ^ http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/11/nick-clegg-spending-liberal-democrats

LLBlynch

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13:45, 15 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699



3. Honesty to market traders
# 1

With an economy as fragile and volatile as ours is now, we need to have some certainty as to where money is going to be spent and what industries are going to be benefitted or hindered via Government spending. This information is needed for market traders to prepare and for analysts to assess the plans and think of contingency plans to deal with them. The Liberal Democrats have been the first party to come out and state where they are making their big cut backs. It is a dangerous move to be the first party to do so, but for the market traders, they need to know where a potential Government is heading so they can plan ahead.

LLBlynch

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13:41, 15 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699



1. Lib dems are only used as benchmarks
# 1

The whole point of having a third party like the Lib Dems is that they are extremely unlikely to come into office to implement their policies. Therefore, the poicies that they set out in the election campaigns are merely to keep the other parties on their toes. The Liberal Democrats, although they will not be elected themselves are a great benchmark for other parties, many marginal seats are won by the Lib Dems because people are not happy with the proposals of the two main parties. This can be seen by them winning many University constituencies. The two main parties use the Lib Dems as a benchmark for their own policies and try to win these marginal seats by being in competition with them. But the Lib Dems have set a very low benchmark, they have cut spending on everything important to the public and have failed to show us how this helps the economy in general. This leads the way for Labour and the conservatives to do exactly the same thing.

LLBlynch

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14:53, 15 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699



2. They still do not have a vision for our country, just a list of objectives
# 1

Nick Clegg’s proposals have no back bone. There is no one overriding policy. There is no direction. The shopping list which they criticised Labour for creating in order to win over the electorate, they have just gone through and put a line through items on the list rather randomly, then scrawled a few extras on the bottom of it.

Nick Clegg had to return to the scrapping of tuition fees but put forward the modest proposal of ‘scaling back the idea to a different time scale’. This has no clarity and is far from a promise to keep to traditional Lib Dem ideologies.

How can cutting NHS spending whilst increasing school spending be compelled together when ill children cannot attend school and it is more likely that children from lower income families, the students Nick Clegg wants to help, are more likely to be ill? The cuts and spends do not form one cohesive web and therefore if adopted Britain would fall out.

LLBlynch

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15:18, 15 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699



3. They are spending the money elsewhere!!!
# 1

Whilst Nick Clegg is planning on cutting back spending on the NHS, care schemes and student fees, he is also planning on raising the tax free threshold to £10,000. They estimate this policy alone to cost £16.5 billion; this renders the savings of £18 billion redundant. In addition, the Labour treasury stated that the true cost of implementing such a scheme will be more like £22 billion. This policy does not only help those on lowest incomes as Nick Clegg would have us believe, but also high earners. When other policies are being cut back which do just help those on lower incomes, such as the free personal care for the elderly, such cuts cannot be justified.

LLBlynch

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15:21, 15 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699



4. Cutting £2 billion off of the NHS
# 1

When threats of swine flu and the MRSA bug are still ongoing, how can such a large cut in spending on our healthcare system be justified?

Even the training of our doctors is currently being compromised. During doctor training doctors only fill out four or five prescription forms and this leads to doctors making mistakes in one in ten prescriptions. In order to resolve this issue alone, Government money needs to be funded to aid prescription training for doctors.[1]

We have also heard about how the funding for dementia is significantly below that of cancer and other diseases. Surely we should aim to level out the funding to different afflictions via increasing the spending on such diseases to the level of other diseases, not by cutting everything back!
  1. ^ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6810112/NHS-faces-potentially-serious-problems-from-wrong-prescriptions-on-the-NHS.html

LLBlynch

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15:28, 15 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699



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