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DEBATE: IS S.44 OF THE TERRORISM ACT 2000 REALLY ILLEGAL?

On the 12th January 2010 the court of Strasbourg, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that s44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 was illegal as it contravened Article 8, the right to respect for private and family life. The case was brought by Kevin Gillan and Pennie Quinton who were both stopped and searched for an extended period of time at the Defence Systems and Equipment International exhibition at the Excel Centre in London Docklands in 2003. This is contrary to the ruling of the British Court of Appeal and House of Lords, so is s44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 really illegal?





IS S.44 OF THE TERRORISM ACT 2000 REALLY ILLEGAL?


It breaches Article 8 of the ECHR


Stopping and searching involves the a persons personal belonging rummaged through in public. If some one looks suspicious then yes this action is justified, but some one who does not act suspiciously, someone who is continuing on with their own life should not be subjected to this treatment. As the ECHR court in Strasbourg noted, regardless of whether personal documents found on the person are read, simply by going through their belongings there is an unjustified interference with the person’s Article 8 right to respect for private and family life. The fact that it takes place in public does not make the right inapplicable, in fact it makes the breach of the right more serious as the person being searched is more likely to feel humiliation.



IS S.44 OF THE TERRORISM ACT 2000 REALLY ILLEGAL?


It is a proportionate measure for a legitimate aim


As the European Court of Human Rights decided, the measures under s44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 are not proportionate. The section allows the authorisation for these unprovoked stop and searches to be given where ever the senior officer considers such procedures ‘expedient’. Expedient means nothing more than advantageous or helpful. This is far too wide of a discretion conferred by the legislation onto a senior officer. He needs no reason to give the authorisation, as long as he thinks allowing such conduct will be useful. But in all situations it could be considered by a senior officer to be useful! The legislation is therefore not legal and should be changed. The court in Strasbourg suggested that the measure would be proportionate if the senior officer thought the authorisation ‘necessary’. This would limit the powers, make the provisions proportionate to the aim and only then would the breach of Article 8 be lawful.

As Brooke LJ enunciated in his British High Court ruling, at a time where there is a threat of international and Irish terrorism, as a nation, we should be willing to allow police officers to stop and search us at will in order to discover any potential terrorist armour. Given the nature of terrorism and it wanting to take people by surprise, the proportionate way to prevent such attacks is also surprise. We must remember that terrorists do not wear a sign indicating their level of involvement with attacks. We have to stop terrorists before they attack. If we do not give police the powers, as s44 does, to stop people before they attack, then how can we ever protect ourselves against terrorism? Stopping and searching a proportionate way for the legitimate aim of preventing terrorism.


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IS S.44 OF THE TERRORISM ACT 2000 REALLY ILLEGAL?


if Article 8 is infringedit is the excerise of the power not the power itself


The argument here is that the powers are so wide and offer so much discretion to police officers, be they senior or not, that the legislation is permitting or facilitating the misuse of power. If the regulations were tighter, then yes it would be the misuse of the rule that was illegal not the rule itself. But the regulations are not as tight as you are suggesting.

The reasonable period of time is 28 days[1]! This is a whole month of a set location being subjected to random stopping and searching. This is not reasonable or practical and does not count as a legislative safeguard. In addition to this, a senior officer can renew the authorisation, rolling the time over[2]. The legislation sets no limits for this renewal procedure and consequently be renewed forever more. This is not sufficient safeguarding.
  1. ^ s46(2) Terrorism Act 2000
  2. ^ s46(7) Terrorism Act 2000

Strasbourg ruled that the power under s44 was too wide and could be subject to abuse, but as the British Court of Appeal ruled, the necessary safeguards against such misuse is worded into s44. Police officers have to gain authorisation in order to conduct the random stopping and searching[1]. The authorisation can only be for a specified place for a reasonable period of time and the authorisation can only be given if it is considered expedient to combating terrorism[2]. The authorisations also have to be given by senior members of the police force[3]. All of these measures are attempts of Parliament to limit the use of the stopping and searching and to make sure it is not abused.

With all these provisions in place, it is not the legislation that breaches Article 8, but the way in which it is being used.
  1. ^ s44(2)
  2. ^ s44(3)
  3. ^ s44(4)


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IS S.44 OF THE TERRORISM ACT 2000 REALLY ILLEGAL?


It protects our Article 1 right to life


To this argument there need only be one statistical response. Number of people stopped nationwide by British Transport Police using s 44: 160,000 Number of people stopped in London by the Metropolitan Police using s. 44: 200,000 Number of people amongst the 360,000 stopped under s. 44 and found to have any terrorist material or links: 0[1]

Therefore, 360,000 people have had their Article 8 right to respect for private life breached, and no one has had their Article 1 right to life protected. Where is the balancing exercise here?
  1. ^ http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2009/02/todays-statisti.html

Rights often conflict with one another. We have the right to privacy and then we have the freedom to express ourselves; these two conflict in many cases. In the case heard before Strasbourg two rights were also in conflict; the right to private life and the right to life. If we do not give police adequate powers to deal with terrorism then we are subjugating people to a higher chance of them losing their lives. Our right to life needs to be protected. Given that we need to have a life in order to have a private or family life, the right to life should be given priority and s44 should not be seen as illegal.


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IS S.44 OF THE TERRORISM ACT 2000 REALLY ILLEGAL?


The inconvenience to the two applicants is minimal


The right to a private life is not a small term in Human Rights law; it is not narrowly described and can never be exhaustively listed. A great meaning has been placed upon it. It does not mean merely the right to be left alone. It covers the physical and psychological integrity of a person. It covers how a person feels their privacy is being affected and if they feel they are being intruded upon. It is a matter of personal autonomy. When a police officer is given such wide ranging powers to stop and search anyone in a widely defined area for no reason at all, then this interferes with a person’s autonomy.

Kevin Gillan was riding a bicycle with a ruck sack when two police officers stopped and searched him. They issued him with the relevant notification and told him that he was being searched under the s44 Terrorism Act 2000 powers. Mr Gillan was on his way to a demonstration which was near an airport and a previous terrorist attack location. The whole stop and search took 20 minutes. Nothing was taken apart from those 20 minutes. Whilst they found nothing on him, 20 minutes is not a long amount of time considering the potential danger that was there with the demonstration and a real threat of terrorist attacks?

Pennie Quinton was stopped for only 5 minutes. Considering the imminent danger we have of terrorism, and this took place in 2003, when the threat and fear was even more powerful, the disruption to her private life was not illegal, but minimal!


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IS S.44 OF THE TERRORISM ACT 2000 REALLY ILLEGAL?


private life is not infringed by being searched for a matter of minutes


The situation in an airport or club environment is totally incomparable o the case before the court at Strasbourg. When you go to an airport, you can reasonably foresee that your bags will be searched. When you go to a venue, you can reasonably foresee that your bags will be searched. The applicants to the Strasbourg court could not reasonably foresee that they would have been stopped by police officers to be searched merely or going into a public space with their personal belongings.

Additionally, if people are unhappy with being searched at a venue or airport, they can refuse and leave, there is a matter of choice. The two applicants rightly pointed out that upon being approached by police they could not just turn around and leave. Therefore Lord Bingham was totally wrong in using these “analogies”.

All of the courts agreed that Article 5 in the case could not be applied, he right to liberty. They all held this because the amount of time that the search took did not threaten that right. Also the pair were not detained, moved or placed in handcuffs. Their liberty was not affected in any way. But how then is the case different for private life? Lord Bingham in the House of Lords, the highest court in England, stated that an ordinary superficial search of the person cannot be seen as an interference with private life. We voluntarily allow such searches to occur when we go on holiday to airports, when we go to the cinema, when we queue to go to a club or theatre. Given this, it cannot be said that the power conferred under s44 of the Terrorist Act 2000 is an interference with private life!


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1. It breaches Article 8 of the ECHR
# 1

Stopping and searching involves the a persons personal belonging rummaged through in public. If some one looks suspicious then yes this action is justified, but some one who does not act suspiciously, someone who is continuing on with their own life should not be subjected to this treatment. As the ECHR court in Strasbourg noted, regardless of whether personal documents found on the person are read, simply by going through their belongings there is an unjustified interference with the person’s Article 8 right to respect for private and family life. The fact that it takes place in public does not make the right inapplicable, in fact it makes the breach of the right more serious as the person being searched is more likely to feel humiliation.

LLBlynch

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11:04, 13 January 10

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1. It is a proportionate measure for a legitimate aim
# 1

As Brooke LJ enunciated in his British High Court ruling, at a time where there is a threat of international and Irish terrorism, as a nation, we should be willing to allow police officers to stop and search us at will in order to discover any potential terrorist armour. Given the nature of terrorism and it wanting to take people by surprise, the proportionate way to prevent such attacks is also surprise. We must remember that terrorists do not wear a sign indicating their level of involvement with attacks. We have to stop terrorists before they attack. If we do not give police the powers, as s44 does, to stop people before they attack, then how can we ever protect ourselves against terrorism? Stopping and searching a proportionate way for the legitimate aim of preventing terrorism.

LLBlynch

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15:58, 12 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699


# 2

As the European Court of Human Rights decided, the measures under s44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 are not proportionate. The section allows the authorisation for these unprovoked stop and searches to be given where ever the senior officer considers such procedures ‘expedient’. Expedient means nothing more than advantageous or helpful. This is far too wide of a discretion conferred by the legislation onto a senior officer. He needs no reason to give the authorisation, as long as he thinks allowing such conduct will be useful. But in all situations it could be considered by a senior officer to be useful! The legislation is therefore not legal and should be changed. The court in Strasbourg suggested that the measure would be proportionate if the senior officer thought the authorisation ‘necessary’. This would limit the powers, make the provisions proportionate to the aim and only then would the breach of Article 8 be lawful.

LLBlynch

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11:28, 13 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699



2. if Article 8 is infringedit is the excerise of the power not the power itself
# 1

Strasbourg ruled that the power under s44 was too wide and could be subject to abuse, but as the British Court of Appeal ruled, the necessary safeguards against such misuse is worded into s44. Police officers have to gain authorisation in order to conduct the random stopping and searching[1]. The authorisation can only be for a specified place for a reasonable period of time and the authorisation can only be given if it is considered expedient to combating terrorism[2]. The authorisations also have to be given by senior members of the police force[3]. All of these measures are attempts of Parliament to limit the use of the stopping and searching and to make sure it is not abused.
  1. ^ s44(2)
  2. ^ s44(3)
  3. ^ s44(4)

LLBlynch

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16:17, 12 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699


# 2

The argument here is that the powers are so wide and offer so much discretion to police officers, be they senior or not, that the legislation is permitting or facilitating the misuse of power. If the regulations were tighter, then yes it would be the misuse of the rule that was illegal not the rule itself. But the regulations are not as tight as you are suggesting.

The reasonable period of time is 28 days[1]! This is a whole month of a set location being subjected to random stopping and searching. This is not reasonable or practical and does not count as a legislative safeguard. In addition to this, a senior officer can renew the authorisation, rolling the time over[2]. The legislation sets no limits for this renewal procedure and consequently be renewed forever more. This is not sufficient safeguarding.
  1. ^ s46(2) Terrorism Act 200
  2. ^ s46(7)

LLBlynch

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13:09, 14 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699



3. It protects our Article 1 right to life
# 1

Rights often conflict with one another. We have the right to privacy and then we have the freedom to express ourselves; these two conflict in many cases. In the case heard before Strasbourg two rights were also in conflict; the right to private life and the right to life. If we do not give police adequate powers to deal with terrorism then we are subjugating people to a higher chance of them losing their lives. Our right to life needs to be protected. Given that we need to have a life in order to have a private or family life, the right to life should be given priority and s44 should not be seen as illegal.

LLBlynch

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16:44, 12 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699


# 2

To this argument there need only be one statistical response. Number of people stopped nationwide by British Transport Police using s 44: 160,000 Number of people stopped in London by the Metropolitan Police using s. 44: 200,000 Number of people amongst the 360,000 stopped under s. 44 and found to have any terrorist material or links: 0

Therefore, 360,000 people have had their Article 8 right to respect for private life breached, and no one has had their Article 1 right to life protected. Where is the balancing exercise here?

LLBlynch

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13:12, 14 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699



4. The inconvenience to the two applicants is minimal
# 1

Kevin Gillan was riding a bicycle with a ruck sack when two police officers stopped and searched him. They issued him with the relevant notification and told him that he was being searched under the s44 Terrorism Act 2000 powers. Mr Gillan was on his way to a demonstration which was near an airport and a previous terrorist attack location. The whole stop and search took 20 minutes. Nothing was taken apart from those 20 minutes. Whilst they found nothing on him, 20 minutes is not a long amount of time considering the potential danger that was there with the demonstration and a real threat of terrorist attacks?

Pennie Quinton was stopped for only 5 minutes. Considering the imminent danger we have of terrorism, and this took place in 2003, when the threat and fear was even more powerful, the disruption to her private life was not illegal, but minimal!

LLBlynch

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16:55, 12 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699


# 2

The right to a private life is not a small term in Human Rights law; it is not narrowly described and can never be exhaustively listed. A great meaning has been placed upon it. It does not mean merely the right to be left alone. It covers the physical and psychological integrity of a person. It covers how a person feels their privacy is being affected and if they feel they are being intruded upon. It is a matter of personal autonomy. When a police officer is given such wide ranging powers to stop and search anyone in a widely defined area for no reason at all, then this interferes with a person’s autonomy.

LLBlynch

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17:48, 12 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699



5. private life is not infringed by being searched for a matter of minutes
# 1

All of the courts agreed that Article 5 in the case could not be applied, he right to liberty. They all held this because the amount of time that the search took did not threaten that right. Also the pair were not detained, moved or placed in handcuffs. Their liberty was not affected in any way. But how then is the case different for private life? Lord Bingham in the House of Lords, the highest court in England, stated that an ordinary superficial search of the person cannot be seen as an interference with private life. We voluntarily allow such searches to occur when we go on holiday to airports, when we go to the cinema, when we queue to go to a club or theatre. Given this, it cannot be said that the power conferred under s44 of the Terrorist Act 2000 is an interference with private life!

LLBlynch

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17:10, 12 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699


# 2

The situation in an airport or club environment is totally incomparable o the case before the court at Strasbourg. When you go to an airport, you can reasonably foresee that your bags will be searched. When you go to a venue, you can reasonably foresee that your bags will be searched. The applicants to the Strasbourg court could not reasonably foresee that they would have been stopped by police officers to be searched merely or going into a public space with their personal belongings.

Additionally, if people are unhappy with being searched at a venue or airport, they can refuse and leave, there is a matter of choice. The two applicants rightly pointed out that upon being approached by police they could not just turn around and leave. Therefore Lord Bingham was totally wrong in using these “analogies”.

LLBlynch

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17:40, 12 January 10

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Karma Score: 2699



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