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SHOULD ISLAM4UK BE BANNED FROM MARCHING THROUGH WOOTTON BASSETT?
Islam4UK, a platform for the global Al-Muhajiroun movement which advocates the islamification of Britain, is planning a march through Wootton Bassett in order to 'honour the Muslims' killed in the Afghan conflict. The group wants to parade 500 empty coffins through the town's street as a symbol of the war's civilian casualties. The group's leader Anjem Choudary, argues that the event will be peaceful and is intended to raise awareness of the native Afghan's plight. However, the move has been met with widespread condemnation due to Wootton Bassett's symbolism as a place of rememberance for Britain's fallen soldiers. Furthermore, Choudary has courted controversy by advocating the installation of Sharia Law in Britain and recently refused to condemn the attacks of September 11th. What are your views?
Should Islam4UK be banned from marching through Wootton Bassett?
Yes, because... Any march against the Afghan War should be made outside parliament
Wootton Bassett is an apolitical place. It is somewhere to pay respects for fallen British soldiers, not somewhere to question the rights and wrongs of the war.
Any protest against the conflict should take place precisely where foreign policy decisions are made- Parliament.
Since when did our freedom to express ourselves become compounded within certain barriers? In fact, Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights stipulates that the freedom of expression is not to be prevented by the authorities regardless of frontiers. So long as crime is not incited then freedom of expression should be allowed to take place. Wootten Basset is a place where the protest will get the most publicity for their plight againts war. If this is how they choose to express themselves in a respectful manner, then they should be allowed to do so.
Also Britain Should be fair it is not only a issue of freedom of speech but it is a matter for Human rights if britain decide to hold a memorial service for there soldiers they should also hold memorial services for the innocent people killed in the war in iraq, afghanistan they should be equal. They have no care for other human life apart from there own which is very unjust, unfair un humane. No wonder the muslims are appalled they should rightly hold a march.
Vote on this point: Any march against the Afghan War should be made outside parliament
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Should Islam4UK be banned from marching through Wootton Bassett?
No, because... The plight of Afghan civilians needs publicity
The plight of Afghan civilians does need publicity but is Anjem Choudry really the person to give it? and Islam 4 UK a supposed splinter group of the infamous, unrepresentative extremist, group Al Muhajiroun the organisation to portray their plight.
Anjem Choudary is a man's who has been deeply associated with the forming of Al Muhajiroun which is a unrepresentative fundamentalist extremist group that has been banned from the UK along with it's leader Omar Bakri Muhammed. He is also hardly representative of normal peace loving Muslims as demonstrated by the fact that when he organised a protested it was actually boycotted by the families of those suspects. Hardly a representative action or a representative person[1]
The point needs to be made but it can be done in an area that is not as loaded and by a group of people who do not have the same political agenda as Choudary and Islam 4 UK which would represent those that died from American and UK actions alone rather than all those civilians killed
Anjem Choudary has planned the march in order to raise awareness for the civilians of Afghanistan, who are dying in a far greater proportion than British troops.
Given the extensive media coverage that British troops are given, it is necessary to highlight that there are other casualties in the war.Vote on this point: The plight of Afghan civilians needs publicity
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Should Islam4UK be banned from marching through Wootton Bassett?
No, because... Freedom of speech/expression don't BIG BROTHER me
Freedom of speech is not absolute and never has been. I think a US Supreme Court Chief Justice (Holmes?) said that freedom of speech did not extend to walking into a crowded theatre and shouting 'Fire! The purpose of this planned march is to insult and provoke people in Wootton Bassett who are mourning the death of soldiers so it is not about freedom of speech - there are plenty of places this march could be held without attempting to provoke public disorder. In the same way in Northern Ieland over the years provocative marches by 'Loyalists' through nationalist areas have been sharply reduced - what is the difference? I hate the Afghan War as utter folly, just as Iraq was, and think the deaths of Afghan civilians is a disgrace to the West. This does not make the planned march by these extermists any less obnoxious - like their views.
Anti-war protests (it they are peaceful,and under high security)should be allowed everywhere in Britain. 'lest we forget our moral inspiration from America:"the Land of the free and the brave".
Political censorship is the main bane of dictatorship/fascism, we must not fall prey to such barbarism.
Vote on this point: Freedom of speech/expression don't BIG BROTHER me
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Should Islam4UK be banned from marching through Wootton Bassett?
No, because... British and Afghan soldiers have died during the Afghan war
And they should be honored and the future deaths of brave British/Afghan soldiers & civilians should be protested, in the same venue.
Since the movement is for British soldiers to be retracted and avert injury/death/madness/etc.
Should Islam4UK be banned from marching through Wootton Bassett?
No, because... Britain should be just and hold memorial services for all innocent lives that have be lost in Iraq and Afghanistan
'Without any hesitation'. I think it's right to have some consideration for what the motives of an organisation are, for example, would we want the KKK to be allowed to march through town 'without hesitation?'. Al-Muhajiroun would seem to be an organisation which has links to terrorism and wants to introduce sharia law to Britain. I'm not sure if this should be allowed or not. From the perspective of freedom of speech, perhaps yes. From the perspective of practicality, the demonstration will turn into an ugly running street battle between two rabbles of frustrated people and do no good for anyone.
THE MARCH SHOULD GO ON. AND OTHER MARCH IN THE FUTHER SHOULD BE ALLOWED WITHOUT ANY HESITATION
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16 Apr 2010
Point 1. Any march against the Afghan War should be made outside parliament
Wootton Bassett is an apolitical place. It is somewhere to pay respects for fallen British soldiers, not somewhere to question the rights and wrongs of the war.
Any protest against the conflict should take place precisely where foreign policy decisions are made- Parliament.
Since when did our freedom to express ourselves become compounded within certain barriers? In fact, Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights stipulates that the freedom of expression is not to be prevented by the authorities regardless of frontiers. So long as crime is not incited then freedom of expression should be allowed to take place. Wootten Basset is a place where the protest will get the most publicity for their plight againts war. If this is how they choose to express themselves in a respectful manner, then they should be allowed to do so.
Point 1. The plight of Afghan civilians needs publicity
Anjem Choudary has planned the march in order to raise awareness for the civilians of Afghanistan, who are dying in a far greater proportion than British troops.Given the extensive media coverage that British troops are given, it is necessary to highlight that there are other casualties in the war.
The plight of Afghan civilians does need publicity but is Anjem Choudry really the person to give it? and Islam 4 UK a supposed splinter group of the infamous, unrepresentative extremist, group Al Muhajiroun the organisation to portray their plight.
Anjem Choudry is a man's who has been deeply associated with the forming of Al Muhajiroun which is a unrepresentative fundamentalist extremist group that has been banned from the UK along with it's leader Omar Bakri Muhammed. He is also hardly representative of normal peace loving Muslims as demonstrated by the fact that when he organised a protested it was actually boycotted by the families of those suspects. Hardly a representative action or a representative person[1]
Point 2. Freedom of speech/expression don't BIG BROTHER me
Anti-war protests (it they are peaceful,and under high security)should be allowed everywhere in Britain. 'lest we forget our moral inspiration from America:"the Land of the free and the brave".
Political censorship is the main bane of dictatorship/fascism, we must not fall prey to such barbarism.
Freedom of speech is not absolute and never has been. I think a US Supreme Court Chief Justice (Holmes?) said that freedom of speech did not extend to walking into a crowded theatre and shouting 'Fire! The purpose of this planned march is to insult and provoke people in Wootton Bassett who are mourning the death of soldiers so it is not about freedom of speech - there are plenty of places this march could be held without attempting to provoke public disorder. In the same way in Northern Ieland over the years provocative marches by 'Loyalists' through nationalist areas have been sharply reduced - what is the difference? I hate the Afghan War as utter folly, just as Iraq was, and think the deaths of Afghan civilians is a disgrace to the West. This does not make the planned march by these extermists any less obnoxious - like their views.
Point 3. British and Afghan soldiers have died during the Afghan war
And they should be honored and the future deaths of brave British/Afghan soldiers & civilians should be protested, in the same venue.
Since the movement is for British soldiers to be retracted and avert injury/death/madness/etc.
Islam4UK are not planning to hold the march in order to pay respects to fallen Afghan troops.
They are completely against the war and claim that the British presence there is a 'crusade'.[1] Choudary has also stated that he has 'no sympathy' for the British troops who have died in Afghanistan.[2] This is just one of his many repugnant and bizairre claims which include:
-Sharia Law should be implimented in Britain -Claiming that the Christmas bomb plot was a set up by the American Security Services -Claiming that the CIA carries out most of the suicide bombings in Afghanistan, not the Taliban -Refusing to condemn the September 11th attacks -stating that the Taliban were a decent bunch of people[3]
Make no mistake about it, these people arent the Green Party or the Stop the War Coalition, they are Islamic extremists
Point 4. Britain should be just and hold memorial services for all innocent lives that have be lost in Iraq and Afghanistan
THE MARCH SHOULD GO ON. AND OTHER MARCH IN THE FUTHER SHOULD BE ALLOWED WITHOUT ANY HESITATION
'Without any hesitation'. I think it's right to have some consideration for what the motives of an organisation are, for example, would we want the KKK to be allowed to march through town 'without hesitation?'. Al-Muhajiroun would seem to be an organisation which has links to terrorism and wants to introduce sharia law to Britain. I'm not sure if this should be allowed or not. From the perspective of freedom of speech, perhaps yes. From the perspective of practicality, the demonstration will turn into an ugly running street battle between two rabbles of frustrated people and do no good for anyone.