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DEBATE: AVATAR WILL KILL OFF BIG EARNING MOVIE STARS?

There have been numerous films this year that have made large amounts of money but have not had big stars attached. Avatar in particular shows that there are other ways of engaging audiences rather than paying immense pay checks to a few faces that everyone recognises. Avatar does it with its 3D graphics.





AVATAR WILL KILL OFF BIG EARNING MOVIE STARS?


Top grossing fims with no superstar mugs thrown in


Audiences are more and more interested in action/cheap-thrill-packed sugar-coated blockbusters; that are upbeat and engaging without necessarily featuring award-winning recognizable movie stars and/or screenplays/story-lines.

This shows that most people care less about 'quality-acting/story-lines' and more about 'entertainment' (a bunch of standard funny quips/quirks/one-liners, explosions/jumps/stunts, a little comedic/touching-but-detached/reserved(no weeping or grand gestures) romance/family-love in the back-drop and a happy ending)

"In 2009, the biggest grossing films in America were, in this order, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (robots); Harry Potter and The Magically Dull Franchise (wizards); Up, a computer animated film about a computer-animated depressive; The Hangover (starring who?); and Star Trek (aliens). Then came The Twilight Saga: New Moon (vampires); Monsters vs Aliens (self-explanatory); Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs (read the title, fool); X-Men Origins: Wolverine (superheroes); and Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian (computer-generated midgets and a real midget in Ben Stiller).

What do these films have in common? Credits? Cameras? Marketing budgets? Well, yes. But the interesting factor they share is: they either have no recognisable stars, or the stars who do appear are not the major selling point. These films are either cartoons, ready- packaged-and-sold sequels, or are peopled with relative unknowns. No one goes to Harry Potter to admire Michael Gambon's wig. Name the heroine of New Moon? No. You can't. "Bella" doesn't count."[1]
  1. ^ http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/08/film-celebrity-wilting

Well 'James Cameron' is a star and let's face it his name has a huge part to play in Avatar's funding and success.

Most Animes/animations feature voice overs by very very famous comedians: Jim Carrey,Steve Carell, Ray Romano, Reese Witherspoon, Jerry Seinfeld,Eddie Murphy etc etc.

Megan Fox and Shia L 'are' movie stars. Tom cruise became a 'movie' star in his twenties(just like these guys) with the film 'cocktails'. Branjelina/Greg Kinnear/Matt Damon/Jude-Law/Julia-Roberts etc also became popcorn/action/comedy/drama-movie stars back then.

Point is: A star is 'made', and once sufficiently famous is also relatively old.

and none of these movies would gross anything if famous people weren't plugging them.


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AVATAR WILL KILL OFF BIG EARNING MOVIE STARS?


au contraire films need better story lines/direction/production since they do not rely on big movie stars(hollywood actors)


Audiences are gripped by entertainment without the 'Britney spears' super star tag reeling them in.

With stars getting faker and faker(Porcelain/bleached/capped/crowned teeth, standard flat tummies & spray-on-tans are fairly customizable) it is easier to make stars(eye-candy) out of nobodies with/with-out talent.

What people want to see is engaging magical visuals, expensive entertainment, a celestial experience, grand massive explosions/eruptions/worlds; C.G.I game story-lines/formats not necessarily featuring superstar actors/acting.

And that is what they get to see.

It is not actually that easy to make a star. Yes Hollywood actors/actresses engage in self-enhancements but we must also remember that many (not all) of these actors are skilled at what they do and/or have a particular charisma (and of course all must be decent looking at least).

Pertaining to the particular motion, Avatar was great for the visuals and that's about it. In a few years time when Hollywood gets around to cloning Avatar in various settings, I guarentee a similar movie with a shallow story and one-dimensional characters will not gross 1 billion dollars.

Avatar is an exception to the norm. It's a game-changer but a particular game-changer can only happen once.


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AVATAR WILL KILL OFF BIG EARNING MOVIE STARS?


Stars are only one factor in selling a movie is the lesson to be learnt


Movie stars are getting more and more dispensable/replaceable. A star can be made just as soon as s/he can fall.

Low-budget means lower pay for big actors but actors need to be onscreen to continue making money which means to survive they'll have to compromise on salaries and be less selective on scripts. Everyone wants to be an actor, the market is getting fairly competitive and big stars always fade with age and time in this business.

The real power is in Production/Direction/now-writing/Companies/Casting-crews/Studios/paparazzi/Tri-star/Pixar/Turner classic/universal studios/Walt Disney and the rest.

Fading out does not dismiss the fame/glamour/money aspect of celebrity being the main prominent contributor to viewer choices. Most actors on the flip-side, get serious meaningful acting awards at an old age.

Fame attracts fame

Money attracts money

Directors/producers/studios are also celebrities in their own right.


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AVATAR WILL KILL OFF BIG EARNING MOVIE STARS?


If a star is not attached to a movie no one watches it.


But films do not have to 'necessarily' feature 'famous actors' or big names to make money; is the point.

"The Reuters piece points to recent low-budget and star-free fare like The Hangover, District 9, and Paranormal Activity that each went on to be wildly successful, and contrasts them with big-budget, star-studded flops like A Christmas Carol, Land of the Lost, and Funny People."-[1]
  1. ^ http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/11/16/is-the-hollywood-movie-star-dead/#ixzz0b9izSXPC

Either a famous director or producer or screenwriter or actor or author or cartoonist has to be attached to a film for it to be watched and sold.

People do watch Wolverine because it features Hugh Jackman: He's really easy on the eyes. Even if he wasn't a star people would want to watch him is the point but (the) fact is, being a star means audiences know he'll look good, act well and be entertaining from 'prior' experience.

Experience counts: You hear a famous name you know that you can trust the quality of the film.

'James Cameron' sells AVATAR

'Shia LaBeouf'(awards from big movies) & Megan Fox(star-quality(looks mainly)) sold transformers

Famous Comedians sell animations.

Rowling sells Potter

The late 'Walt Disney' sells all Disney films

Steven Spielberg/James Cameron/Coppola sell sell sell. Without a/the name films would never take off.


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1. Top grossing fims with no superstar mugs thrown in
# 1

Audiences are more and more interested in action/cheap-thrill-packed sugar-coated blockbusters; that are upbeat and engaging without necessarily featuring award-winning recognizable movie stars and/or screenplays/story-lines.

This shows that most people care less about 'quality-acting/story-lines' and more about 'entertainment' (a bunch of standard funny quips/quirks/one-liners, explosions/jumps/stunts, a little comedic/touching-but-detached/reserved(no weeping or grand gestures) romance/family-love in the back-drop and a happy ending)

"In 2009, the biggest grossing films in America were, in this order, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (robots); Harry Potter and The Magically Dull Franchise (wizards); Up, a computer animated film about a computer-animated depressive; The Hangover (starring who?); and Star Trek (aliens). Then came The Twilight Saga: New Moon (vampires); Monsters vs Aliens (self-explanatory); Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs (read the title, fool); X-Men Origins: Wolverine (superheroes); and Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian (computer-generated midgets and a real midget in Ben Stiller).

What do these films have in common? Credits? Cameras? Marketing budgets? Well, yes. But the interesting factor they share is: they either have no recognisable stars, or the stars who do appear are not the major selling point. These films are either cartoons, ready- packaged-and-sold sequels, or are peopled with relative unknowns. No one goes to Harry Potter to admire Michael Gambon's wig. Name the heroine of New Moon? No. You can't. "Bella" doesn't count."

NADIA999

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07:00, 30 December 09

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Karma Score: 5609


# 2

Well 'James Cameron' is a star and let's face it his name has a huge part to play in Avatar's funding and success.

Most Animes/animations feature voice overs by very very famous comedians: Jim Carrey,Steve Carell, Ray Romano, Reese Witherspoon, Jerry Seinfeld,Eddie Murphy etc etc.

Megan Fox and Shia L 'are' movie stars. Tom cruise became a 'movie' star in his twenties(just like these guys) with the film 'cocktails'. Branjelina/Greg Kinnear/Matt Damon/Jude-Law/Julia-Roberts etc also became popcorn/action/comedy/drama-movie stars back then.

Point is: A star is 'made', and once sufficiently famous is also relatively old.

and none of these movies would gross anything if famous people weren't plugging them.

NADIA999

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07:09, 30 December 09

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Karma Score: 5609



2. au contraire films need better story lines/direction/production since they do not rely on big movie stars(hollywood actors)
# 1

Audiences are gripped by entertainment without the 'Britney spears' super star tag reeling them in.

With stars getting faker and faker(Porcelain/bleached/capped/crowned teeth, standard flat tummies & spray-on-tans are fairly customizable) it is easier to make stars(eye-candy) out of nobodies with/with-out talent.

What people want to see is engaging magical visuals, expensive entertainment, a celestial experience, grand massive explosions/eruptions/worlds; C.G.I game story-lines/formats not necessarily featuring superstar actors/acting.

And that is what they get to see.

NADIA999

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07:41, 30 December 09

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Karma Score: 5609


# 2

It is not actually that easy to make a star. Yes Hollywood actors/actresses engage in self-enhancements but we must also remember that many (not all) of these actors are skilled at what they do and/or have a particular charisma (and of course all must be decent looking at least).

Pertaining to the particular motion, Avatar was great for the visuals and that's about it. In a few years time when Hollywood gets around to cloning Avatar in various settings, I guarentee a similar movie with a shallow story and one-dimensional characters will not gross 1 billion dollars.

Avatar is an exception to the norm. It's a game-changer but a particular game-changer can only happen once.

A_Dying_Wren

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10:42, 07 January 10

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Karma Score: 12



3. Stars are only one factor in selling a movie is the lesson to be learnt
# 1

Movie stars are getting more and more dispensable/replaceable. A star can be made just as soon as s/he can fall.

Low-budget means lower pay for big actors but actors need to be onscreen to continue making money which means to survive they'll have to compromise on salaries and be less selective on scripts. Everyone wants to be an actor, the market is getting fairly competitive and big stars always fade with age and time in this business.

The real power is in Production/Direction/now-writing/Companies/Casting-crews/Studios/paparazzi/Tri-star/Pixar/Turner classic/universal studios/Walt Disney and the rest.

NADIA999

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07:53, 30 December 09

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Karma Score: 5609


# 2

Fading out does not dismiss the fame/glamour/money aspect of celebrity being the main prominent contributor to viewer choices. Most actors on the flip-side, get serious meaningful acting awards at an old age.

Fame attracts fame

Money attracts money

Directors/producers/studios are also celebrities in their own right.

NADIA999

|

07:57, 30 December 09

|

Karma Score: 5609



1. If a star is not attached to a movie no one watches it.
# 1

Either a famous director or producer or screenwriter or actor or author or cartoonist has to be attached to a film for it to be watched and sold.

People do watch Wolverine because it features Hugh Jackman: He's really easy on the eyes. Even if he wasn't a star people would want to watch him is the point but (the) fact is, being a star means audiences know he'll look good, act well and be entertaining from 'prior' experience.

Experience counts: You hear a famous name you know that you can trust the quality of the film.

'James Cameron' sells AVATAR

'Shia LaBeouf'(awards from big movies) & Megan Fox(star-quality(looks mainly)) sold transformers

Famous Comedians sell animations.

Rowling sells Potter

The late 'Walt Disney' sells all Disney films

Steven Spielberg/James Cameron/Coppola sell sell sell. Without a/the name films would never take off.

NADIA999

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07:23, 30 December 09

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Karma Score: 5609


# 2

But films do not have to necessarily feature 'famous actors' to make money; is the point.

NADIA999

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07:24, 30 December 09

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Karma Score: 5609



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