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03 Feb 2010
by Dhc

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Yes:

25%

No:

75%

Neutral:

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DEBATE: IS JESUS THE MESSIAH OF THE JEWS?

In almost all of the great and well-established religious traditions of the world today (whether it is in Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam etc.), there is a common idea of a saviour, deliverer or a king appointed by God himself to establish order and peace in the world. In the Mother of the three Abrahamic faiths - Judaism - this figure is called the Jewish Messiah. The Jewish Messiah is prophecized to lead the Jews and the rest of the world during a future "golden age of peace and happiness" called the Messianic age. Two thousand years ago, however, a small Jewish sect claimed that the Messiah had already arrived, in the person of man-God Jesus Christ, who was destined to die on the cross as vicarious atonement for the world's sins. The orthodox Jews labelled such messianic claims as heresy, as contradicting the basic teachings of the Torah. To this day, Christians maintain strongly that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, whilst the most of the Jewish community (except the Messianic Jews) believe that the "one who is to come" is yet to appear. So is Jesus Christ really the Jewish Messiah, or are the Jews right in saying that the awaited one has yet to arrive?





IS JESUS THE MESSIAH OF THE JEWS?


"Jesus is actually the prophecized name of the Messiah"


The later Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri, one of Israel's most prominent Rabbis and Kabbalists, revealed in a sealed note which was opened post-humously that "Jesus" or in Hebrew, Yeshua or Yehoshua, is the real name of the Messiah. This sparked controversy amongst the Jewish Community as well as the Christian Community, since this revelation, from a famous mystic revered for his wisdom, seems to point to the "Christian Messiah" as the "Jewish Messiah". This is made even more controversial, by the Rabbi's portrayals of the jewish Messiah, which is apparently reminiscent of New Testament Accounts, and the Rabbi's mysterious drawings of "cross-like symbols" in the sage's manuscripts, symbols which orthodox Jews dont really use. Are these really just coincidences? Or is Jesus, like the Christians have believed for thousands of years, the Jewish Messiah?

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=128&view=item&idx=1347

Jesus was a Jewish teacher, it was only his disciples who created Christianity after his death.



IS JESUS THE MESSIAH OF THE JEWS?


"Jesus (in Arabic Isa) is actually called the Messiah in the Quran"


The Holy Quran, considered by Muslims to be the literal word of God, actually names Jesus or Isa to be the Messiah. If even what is argued to be the unchanged, unaltered and final revelation of God names Jesus to be the awaited Messiah then the Christians must be right in their assertion that Jesus is the "awaited one".

"People of the Book (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and attribute to God nothing except the truth.

The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of God, and His command that He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him.

So believe in God and in His Messengers, and do not say: ‘God is a Trinity.' Give up this assertion; it would be better for you. God is indeed just One God. Far be it from His glory that He should have a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth. God is sufficient for a guardian" (Quran 4:171).

Jews rejected Jesus and tormented him greatly, he is not 'their' messiah.

Please read the 'old testament'

Jews(they are crazy) believe themselves to be chosen ones.Jesus bought non-elitist/non-chosen-ones/people-sans-Abraham-ic-blood into the religion and was resented deeply for sharing the hope/promise of heaven/paradise with common non-Jewish people.

Jesus was a Jewish teacher.


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IS JESUS THE MESSIAH OF THE JEWS?


"Jesus was not descended from King David through his father"


But Jesus is seen by Christians to be the Son of God the supreme being who has anointed (or created) King David in the first place!! Surely as Jesus is said to be literally the Son of the "Creator of All" we can argue that his bloodline (as it were) is the supreme source of the Davidic bloodline (as it was created by God). If we follow the argument that Jesus is actually God himself (following the Holy Trinity concept of the Christians) then we can conclude that Jesus, being God, is the ultimate source of the Davidic dynasty and thus King David is actually descended from Him...

Revelation 22:16 (King James Version)

16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22%3A16&version=KJV

The prophecized Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David via Solomon (Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christians, Jesus was born of a virgin Mother, thus he had no father and could not have possibly met the "descendant of King David via father side" requirement!! jews are liers they are hypocrites and also they have leprosy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I THANK ALL MY FANS!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS 4 READING!!!!!!!!!!!!! SURELY U HATE JEWS TOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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IS JESUS THE MESSIAH OF THE JEWS?


"The Messiah is supposed to establish an era of world peace"


Christians get around this argument by using the idea of Jesus' "Second Coming". When Jesus comes back from heaven, then that is when he will finally establish the "Messianic Age" of peace, tranquility and universal harmony.

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) The arrival of the Messiah is prophecized to mark the ultimate end to wars, suffering, disease and hatred. As a quick viewing of the Daily News on TV will attest, we are still living in a world of tremendous suffering: devastating wars have been fought since the birth of Jesus, disgusting crimes against our fellow men and women are still being perpetrated by both governments and the people, deadly diseases still kill thousands everyday; we are clearly not living in the Messianic age, despite the apparent arrival of the "Jewish Messiah" over 2000 years ago.


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IS JESUS THE MESSIAH OF THE JEWS?


" The Messiah is a human being, not a man-god like Jesus"


The Christians believe that Jesus is actually God in human form.

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:14 - "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 20:28 - "Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

The Torah specifically says: "God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19). Maimonides, one of the most famous of Jewish scholars, explained in his "Guide for the Perplexed" that God assumes no physical (i.e. human form). God is eternal and infinite, cannot be born and cannot die. Saying that God assumed a human form through Jesus is "blasphemy" in the jewish faith. If the teachings about Jesus Christ is contrary to Jewish Theology, it can be argued that the Christian Messiah cannot be the Jewish Messiah as the two traditions are irreconcilable.

Jews believe that, like King David who he is descended from, the Jewish Messiah is an ordinary human being, born of normal human parents. He is not a demi-god. WHOEVER WROTE THIS PLEASE CORRECT IT!!!!!!!!! JESUS IS MAN-GOD!!!!!!!!!!! HE IS MESSIAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!



IS JESUS THE MESSIAH OF THE JEWS?


"The Messiah will save Israel, Jesus has done the opposite!!"


The Messiah is prophecized to save Israel. But after Jesus, as Maimonides points, the opposite of this happened. After his death and supposed ascension to heaven, Jerusalem's Holy Temple was destroyed and the city laid to waste; the Jews left Israel and were persecuted for nearly two thousand years - the horrors of WW2 being the most recent, this was largely at the hands of the followers of the Jesus!!

JESUS IS MESSIAH!!!!!!!!!!! WHOEVER WROTE PLEASE GO AND READ THE BIBLE!!!!!!!!! AND IF YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN THEN DONT BOTHER WRITING ABOUT THE BIBLE BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JESUS WAS THE 1 WHO SAVED THE ISREAELITES!!!!!!!!!!!



IS JESUS THE MESSIAH OF THE JEWS?


"Jesus did not meet the scriptural requirement of Isaiah 11:2"


Isaiah 11:2 New American Standard Bible (©1995) The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.

If, as the Christians say Jesus is actually God Himself, then it is argued that he could not possibly meet the requirement in Isaiah 11:2 that the Jewish Messiah would have "fear of the Lord" because, after all, how could God have fear of himself!! FOOLS!!!!!!!!FOOLS!!!!!!!!!FOOLS!!!!!!! IM NOT EVEN JOKING WHOEVER WROTE THIS SHOULD THINK BEFORE THEY SAY OR WRITE ANY THING BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS 100% FALSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JESUS IS NOT GOD HE IS THE SON OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE FEARS GOD BECAUSE WHEN YOU READ A SCRIPTURE IN THE BIBLE UNDERSTAND IT FIRST THEN TELL OTHERS ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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1. "Jesus is actually the prophecized name of the Messiah"
# 1

The later Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri, one of Israel's most prominent Rabbis and Kabbalists, revealed in a sealed note which was opened post-humously that "Jesus" or in Hebrew, Yeshua or Yehoshua, is the real name of the Messiah. This sparked controversy amongst the Jewish Community as well as the Christian Community, since this revelation, from a famous mystic revered for his wisdom, seems to point to the "Christian Messiah" as the "Jewish Messiah". This is made even more controversial, by the Rabbi's portrayals of the jewish Messiah, which is apparently reminiscent of New Testament Accounts, and the Rabbi's mysterious drawings of "cross-like symbols" in the sage's manuscripts, symbols which orthodox Jews dont really use. Are these really just coincidences? Or is Jesus, like the Christians have believed for thousands of years, the Jewish Messiah?

JoshDavid

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21:34, 22 November 09

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Karma Score: 43


# 2

I know that Rabbi Yitahak Kaduri was inspired to reveal the truth; that Jesus Christ has returned as the Messiah. He is a circumcised Jew, biological parents unknown, who has returned with a new name (as predicted in the bible). Check out his website: www.inricristo.org.br He is warning people of what is to come. He has visited 27 countries and recognized in many as the return of Christ to earth. He healed the sick but claims that he is only the instrument of his Father's Will, who is the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Magda

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12:37, 19 February 10

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Karma Score: 0



2. "Jesus (in Arabic Isa) is actually called the Messiah in the Quran"
# 1

The Holy Quran, considered by Muslims to be the literal word of God, actually names Jesus or Isa to be the Messiah. If even what is argued to be the unchanged, unaltered and final revelation of God names Jesus to be the awaited Messiah then the Christians must be right in their assertion that Jesus is the "awaited one".

"People of the Book (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and attribute to God nothing except the truth.

The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of God, and His command that He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him.

So believe in God and in His Messengers, and do not say: ‘God is a Trinity.' Give up this assertion; it would be better for you. God is indeed just One God. Far be it from His glory that He should have a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth. God is sufficient for a guardian" (Quran 4:171).

JoshDavid

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22:05, 22 November 09

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Karma Score: 43


# 2

Jews rejected Jesus and tormented him greatly, he is not 'their' messiah.

Please read the 'old testament'

Jews believe themselves to be chosen ones. Jesus bought non-elitist/non-chosen-ones/people-sans-Abraham-ic-blood into the religion and was resented deeply for sharing the hope/promise of heaven/paradise with common non-Jewish people.

NADIA999

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08:26, 30 November 09

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Karma Score: 5609



1. "Jesus was not descended from King David through his father"
# 1

The prophecized Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David via Solomon (Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christians, Jesus was born of a virgin Mother, thus he had no father and could not have possibly met the "descendant of King David via father side" requirement!!

JoshDavid

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21:11, 22 November 09

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Karma Score: 43


# 2

But Jesus is seen by Christians to be the Son of God the supreme being who has anointed (or created) King David in the first place!! Surely as Jesus is said to be literally the Son of the "Creator of All" we can argue that his bloodline (as it were) is the supreme source of the Davidic bloodline (as it was created by God). If we follow the argument that Jesus is actually God himself (following the Holy Trinity concept of the Christians) then we can conclude that Jesus, being God, is the ultimate source of the Davidic dynasty and thus King David is actually descended from Him...

Revelation 22:16 (King James Version)

16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22%3A16&version=KJV

JoshDavid

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23:33, 24 November 09

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Karma Score: 43



2. "The Messiah is supposed to establish an era of world peace"
# 1

As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) The arrival of the Messiah is prophecized to mark the ultimate end to wars, suffering, disease and hatred. As a quick viewing of the Daily News on TV will attest, we are still living in a world of tremendous suffering: devastating wars have been fought since the birth of Jesus, disgusting crimes against our fellow men and women are still being perpetrated by both governments and the people, deadly diseases still kill thousands everyday; we are clearly not living in the Messianic age, despite the apparent arrival of the "Jewish Messiah" over 2000 years ago.

JoshDavid

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21:19, 22 November 09

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Karma Score: 43


# 2

Christians get around this argument by using the idea of Jesus' "Second Coming". When Jesus comes back from heaven, then that is when he will finally establish the "Messianic Age" of peace, tranquility and universal harmony.

JoshDavid

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23:36, 24 November 09

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Karma Score: 43



3. " The Messiah is a human being, not a man-god like Jesus"
# 1

The Christians believe that Jesus is actually God in human form.

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:14 - "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 20:28 - "Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

The Torah specifically says: "God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19). Maimonides, one of the most famous of Jewish scholars, explained in his "Guide for the Perplexed" that God assumes no physical (i.e. human form). God is eternal and infinite, cannot be born and cannot die. Saying that God assumed a human form through Jesus is "blasphemy" in the jewish faith. If the teachings about Jesus Christ is contrary to Jewish Theology, it can be argued that the Christian Messiah cannot be the Jewish Messiah as the two traditions are irreconcilable.

Jews believe that, like King David who he is descended from, the Jewish Messiah is an ordinary human being, born of normal human parents. He is not a demi-god.

JoshDavid

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21:50, 22 November 09

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Karma Score: 43



4. "The Messiah will save Israel, Jesus has done the opposite!!"
# 1

The Messiah is prophecized to save Israel. But after Jesus, as Maimonides points, the opposite of this happened. After his death and supposed ascension to heaven, Jerusalem's Holy Temple was destroyed and the city laid to waste; the left Israel and were persecuted for nearly two thousand years - the horrors of WW2 being the most recent, this was largely at the hands of the followers of the Jesus!!

JoshDavid

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23:49, 24 November 09

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Karma Score: 43



5. "Jesus did not meet the scriptural requirement of Isaiah 11:2"
# 1

Isaiah 11:2 New American Standard Bible (©1995) The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.

If, as the Christians say Jesus is actually God Himself, then it is argued that he could not possibly meet the requirement in Isaiah 11:2 that the Jewish Messiah would have "fear of the Lord" because, after all, how could God have fear of himself!!

JoshDavid

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23:53, 24 November 09

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Karma Score: 43



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