Modified:
02 Dec 2009
by Vo Viet Anh

Vote totals:

Yes:

25%

No:

75%

Neutral:

0%

 
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DEBATE: SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT RATION THE AMOUNT OF HOLIDAYS PEOPLE CAN TAKE ABROAD IN ORDER TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT?

Holidays should not just be about the physical price of getting to your destination and staying there, but should also be costed for the carbon you use to go on holiday. Many areas such as Canadian and US National Parks already charge people to enter in order to pay for the environmental damage done there by the tourists. Should we each be assigned a certain amount of CO2 we can produce by going to and being on holiday which we then can’t go over? Disclaimer: traveling for other purposes (business, relative visit, etc.) are not included in this debate.





SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT RATION THE AMOUNT OF HOLIDAYS PEOPLE CAN TAKE ABROAD IN ORDER TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT?


The scheme would be unworkable


There is no need for international agreement. Each country can come up with its own mandate to control its citizen's traveling behavior as it is doing in form of destination recommendation/warning from the national travel agency. Also, the variant carbon intensity of holiday activities doesn't matter because in the end a cap on number of holidays people can take would reduce an equal percentage of carbon amoung emited for all economic classes.

It would require international cooperation/agreement to quantify and enforce the amount of carbon a person uses while on holiday. The carbon intensity of activities while on holiday will vary considerably. For example, a person spending their holidays camping will be using less carbon than a person staying in a luxury air-conditioned hotel. As such without international agreement it would be impossible to monitor what a person does while abroad, and so there would be no way of assigning a carbon value to their activities. With the need for internationally recognized standards to implement such a scheme would come arguments about the threat to tourism that such a scheme poses.


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SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT RATION THE AMOUNT OF HOLIDAYS PEOPLE CAN TAKE ABROAD IN ORDER TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT?


Aviation is not the biggest threat to the environment


It's time to stopping slacking off the topic by shifting attention out of the industry in concern and blaming other industries for higher pollution. Apparently all industries' problems add up our current predicament. If passing-ball arguments like this point to the right keep popping up, we will never succeed in tackling any problem one by one (in this case, the problem of tourism's pollution).

In the UK electricity production uses over twice as much fuel as the airline industry.[1] Penalising people for taking holidays abroad is unfair and ignores more urgent factors affecting the environment. The money and time used to implement a holiday rationing system would be better used to create cleaner electricity generating technologies.

Not only that, but newly revealed data and information, which had originally been manipulated and covered up by the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (CRU), shows that CO2 may not be a threat to the environment at all. It now seems very possible that the whole theory of anthropogenic global warming may be fraudulent. Let's not take any drastic actions until there is a genuine consensus, and currently one does not exist.
  1. ^ http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=901&Pos=1&ColRank=2&Rank=208


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SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT RATION THE AMOUNT OF HOLIDAYS PEOPLE CAN TAKE ABROAD IN ORDER TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT?


It would encourage unsustainable attitudes towards the environment


Under a holiday rationing system each person would be assigned carbon credits that would be used up whenever they go on holiday. If someone has used up all their credits and still wishes to take a holiday abroad s/he would have to buy more credits. Introducing such fees may reduce the moral stigma of polluting the environment.[1] If a person pays extra in order to engage in activities that damage the environment they may develop the attitude that being unsustainable is acceptable if it is being payed for.
  1. ^ http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00kt7sh



SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT RATION THE AMOUNT OF HOLIDAYS PEOPLE CAN TAKE ABROAD IN ORDER TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT?


It would contravene Article 13.2 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights


It would not contravene article 13.2 of the UDHR because it would not be an absolute restriction on travelling abroad. Everyone would still have the right to leave the country, the scheme would just ensure that people don't travel excessively. There are already 'restrictions' on travel placed by the cost of flight tickets and taxes yet these are obviously not judged to contravene article 13.2.

Article 13.2 of the UDHR states that "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country." To impose restrictions on the number of holidays abroad would deny people the right to mobility.


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SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT RATION THE AMOUNT OF HOLIDAYS PEOPLE CAN TAKE ABROAD IN ORDER TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT?


Taxes


There is no need to ban people from flying. The average family fles away for a holiday once or twice a year, and they rarely travel far.

For those rich families who can afford to fly three times a year or more, they should be taxed double their air fare.

This could rake in hundreds of millions per year in the UK alone. This money can then go to fund research on Low-emissions aeroplanes and other sources of renewable energy.

Banning travel doesn't solve the problem as the same number of flights will be leaving the country - they'll just have fewer people on them (hardly cost effective or environmentally friendly). Taxes will raise the money needed to solve the problem once and for all.




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1. The scheme would be unworkable
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It would require international cooperation/agreement to quantify and enforce the amount of carbon a person uses while on holiday. The carbon intensity of activities while on holiday will vary considerably. For example, a person spending their holidays camping will be using less carbon than a person staying in a luxury air-conditioned hotel. As such without international agreement it would be impossible to monitor what a person does while abroad, and so there would be no way of assigning a carbon value to their activities. With the need for internationally recognized standards to implement such a scheme would come arguments about the threat to tourism that such a scheme poses.

herkherm

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21:32, 15 November 09

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Karma Score: 36


# 2

There is no need for international agreement. Each country can come up with its own mandate to control its citizen's traveling behavior as it is doing in form of destination recommendation/warning from the national travel agency. Also, the variant carbon intensity of holiday activities doesn't matter because in the end a cap on number of holidays people can take would reduce an equal percentage of carbon amoung emited for all economic classes.

VoVietAnh

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07:33, 17 November 09

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Karma Score: 139



2. Aviation is not the biggest threat to the environment
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In the UK electricity production uses over twice as much fuel as the airline industry.[1]Penalising" rel="nofollow">http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=901&Pos=1&ColRank=2&Rank=208]]Penalising people for taking holidays abroad is unfair and ignores more urgent factors affecting the environment. The money and time used to implement a holiday rationing system would be better used to create cleaner electricity generating technologies.
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    herkherm

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    22:22, 15 November 09

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    Karma Score: 36


# 2

It's time to stopping slacking off the topic by shifting attention out of the industry in concern and blaming other industries for higher pollution. Apparently all industries' problems add up our current predicament. If passing-ball arguments like this point to the right keep popping up, we will never succeed in tackling any problem one by one (in this case, the problem of tourism's pollution).

VoVietAnh

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06:51, 20 November 09

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Karma Score: 139



3. It would encourage unsustainable attitudes towards the environment
# 1

Under a holiday rationing system each person would be assigned carbon credits that would be used up whenever they go on holiday. If someone has used up all their credits and still wishes to take a holiday abroad s/he would have to buy more credits. Introducing such fees may reduce the moral stigma of polluting the environment.[1] If a person pays extra in order to engage in activities that damage the environment they may develop the attitude that being unsustainable is acceptable if it is being payed for.
  1. ^ http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00kt7sh

herkherm

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22:46, 15 November 09

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Karma Score: 36



4. It would contravene Article 13.2 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
# 1

Article 13.2 of the UDHR states that "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country." To impose restrictions on the number of holidays abroad would deny people the right to mobility.

herkherm

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23:12, 15 November 09

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Karma Score: 36


# 2

It would not contravene article 13.2 of the UDHR because it would not be an absolute restriction on traveling abroad. Everyone would still have the right to leave the country, the scheme would just ensure that people don't travel excessively.

herkherm

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23:16, 15 November 09

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Karma Score: 36



5. Taxes
# 1

There is no need to ban people from flying. The average family flyss away for a holiday once or twice a year, and they rarely travel far.

For those rich families who can afford to fly three times a year or more, they should be taxed double their air fare.

This could rake in hundreds of millions per year in the UK alone. This money can then go to fund research on Low-emissions aeroplanes and other sources of renewable energy.

Banning travel doesn't solve the problem as the same number of flights will be leaving the country - they'll just have less people on them (hardly cost effective or environmentally friendly). Taxes will raise the money needed to solve the problem once and for all.

Tim Johnston

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20:39, 17 November 09

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Karma Score: 301



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