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by Booji

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DEBATE: TRUST THE CONSERVATIVES ON THE ECONOMY

35% of people say they trust the Conservatives to fix the economy compared to 32% for Labour. This is however trust for a party that has consistently got the temperature of the economy wrong and have been slow at coming up with sensible solutions to the crisis over the last year. While Gordon Brown took action David Cameron dithered. Now it has been found that the conservatives got their sums wrong when calculating what they could save by raising the retirement age. Can they be trusted with the economy?





TRUST THE CONSERVATIVES ON THE ECONOMY


Tories popular over the economy


43% trust the Tories and only 31% trust Labour over the economy.



TRUST THE CONSERVATIVES ON THE ECONOMY


Disunity in Government


Ministers think Labour is partly responsible - PM disagrees



TRUST THE CONSERVATIVES ON THE ECONOMY


No


According to a recent poll by ComRes for the BBC's Daily Politics programme, the Conservatives were "trusted" over the economy by 43% of the participants while only 31% trusted the Labour government. Do they have a good reason to do so? yes they do [1].

While it is not wholly true that Labour are responsible for our economic crisis like Cameron the Tory leader suggests however, they are partly to blame. For example, the 2001 Financial Services and Markets Act declares referring to the Financial Services Authority (FSA) that it is not "to discourage the launch of new financial products" while also encouraging it to not over regulate [2]. This just serves to highlight how the government helped to create an atmosphere that eventually lead to the economic crisis. Ironically, there are those in government that agree with this point in principle and those that don't including the prime minister.

Alistair Darling told the Telegraph that he believed ministers should show "humility" and a sense of "collective responsibility" for the economic crisis. Additionally, Ed Balls, a close ally of Gordon Brown stated that he thought the Government's regulations of the City weren't strong, claiming that "in retrospect, it is clear we were nowhere near tough enough". In sharp contrast to these views and a show of disunity amongst the highest levels of government the prime minister argued otherwise. He advocated that the economic crisis was the result of a "global banking failure" and not "British economic policy" [3].

It is quite evident that the government allowed and over saw a system that helped fuel an economic crisis that we are all now having to pay for. Of course the PM is not going to state that it was economic policy, after all they were policies initiated under his chancellorship.

Whatever the debate, the voters will have the final say - at the moment it appears they trust the Tories.

1)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics /6283241/Conservatives-more-trusted-than-Labour-on-economy.html

2) http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/46791,news-comment,news-politics,how-labours-faustian-pact-with-capitalism-led-to-the-financial-crisis-nick-cohen

3) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/gordon-brown/4936712/Gordon-Brown-refuses-to-apologise-for-economic-crisis.html

Last week the chancellor in waiting, George Osborne made a speech to the Conservative party conference outlining his economic policy. The speech was well presented and wide ranging in terms of policy intent.

The overall theme of the speech was about cuts, cuts and cuts to public spending. He spoke about raising the pension age from 65 to 66 from 2016 in order to control the public debt and save £13bn [1]. Other policy intentions included freezing public sector wages and reducing benefits to the poor . He also reinforced his party’s regressive policy to raise the inheritance tax to £1 million in the next parliament as, “it cannot be a priority for our first budget” [2].

Under the current economic circumstances it is perfectly wise to cut public spending in order to control the ever increasing public debt. However, where the Tories fail is on the extent of their cuts coupled with consistent factual inaccuracies. Hence, they cannot be trusted.

David Blanchflower, an economist and former member of the Bank of England’s monetary policy committee, believes Osborne’s policies will send the British economy into a “death spiral of decline”. He argues, it is economic suicide to pull the plug on public spending in a recession since it leads to a depression, as it did in the US in the 1930s [3]. Moreover, the Conservatives believe the current economic mess is the sole responsibility of Gordon Brown and his government. For instance, David Cameron failed to mention the greedy bankers during his speech at last week’s conference. Coming back to Osborne’s speech, he incorrectly declared that the VAT was unsuccessful. However, researchers at the Institute for Fiscal Studies have found that the cut raised real consumption by 1.2 percent [4]. Finally, the most publicised and embarrassing mistake the Conservatives and namely, Osborne made was the £3bn shortfall in his plans for raising the state pension [5]. The National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) is the think tank that gave Osborne the basis for his claim. In contrast, NIESR counter acted the Tory claims stating “a simple advance of the retirement age … by one year in 2016 will not achieve this” [6].

1) http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/09/george-osborne-budget-deficit

2) http://www.conservatives.com/News/Speeches/2009/10/George_Osborne_We_will_lead_the_economy_out_of_crisis.aspx

3) http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/09/cameron-osborne-recession-recovery-inflation

4) http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/fourth-estate/2009/10/osborne-speech-tax-growth

5) http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/fourth-estate/2009/10/osborne-speech-tax-growth

6) http://www.niesr.ac.uk/pubs/searchdetail.php?PublicationID=2406


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TRUST THE CONSERVATIVES ON THE ECONOMY


Irresponsible Tories


Osborne's pension policy has staggering £3bn shortfall




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1. Tories popular over the economy
# 1

43% trust the Tories and only 31% trust Labour over the economy.

Niqo Adams

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22:12, 18 October 09

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Karma Score: 34



2. Disunity in Government
# 1

Ministers think Labour is partly responsible - PM disagrees

Niqo Adams

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22:13, 18 October 09

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Karma Score: 34



1. No
# 1

Last week the chancellor in waiting, George Osborne made a speech to the Conservative party conference outlining his economic policy. The speech was well presented and wide ranging in terms of policy intent.

The overall theme of the speech was about cuts, cuts and cuts to public spending. He spoke about raising the pension age from 65 to 66 from 2016 in order to control the public debt and save £13bn . Other policy intentions included freezing public sector wages and reducing benefits to the poor . He also reinforced his party’s regressive policy to raise the inheritance tax to £1 million in the next parliament as, “it cannot be a priority for our first budget” .

Under the current economic circumstances it is perfectly wise to cut public spending in order to control the ever increasing public debt. However, where the Tories fail is on the extent of their cuts coupled with consistent factual inaccuracies. Hence, they cannot be trusted.

David Blanchflower, an economist and former member of the Bank of England’s monetary policy committee, believes Osborne’s policies will send the British economy into a “death spiral of decline” . He argues, it is economic suicide to pull the plug on public spending in a recession since it leads to a depression, as it did in the US in the 1930s. Moreover, the Conservatives believe the current economic mess is the sole responsibility of Gordon Brown and his government. For instance, David Cameron failed to mention the greedy bankers during his speech at last week’s conference. Coming back to Osborne’s speech, he incorrectly declared that the VAT was unsuccessful. However, researchers at the Institute for Fiscal Studies have found that the cut raised real consumption by 1.2 percent . Finally, the most publicised and embarrassing mistake the Conservatives and namely, Osborne made was the £3bn shortfall in his plans for raising the state pension . The National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) is the think tank that gave Osborne the basis for his claim. In contrast, NIESR counter acted the Tory claims stating “a simple advance of the retirement age … by one year in 2016 will not achieve this” .

Niqo Adams

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08:19, 15 October 09

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Karma Score: 34


# 2

According to a recent poll by ComRes for the BBC's Daily Politics programme, the Conservatives were "trusted" over the economy by 43% of the participants while only 31% trusted the Labour government. Do they have a good reason to do so? yes they do [1].

While it is not wholly true that Labour are responsible for our economic crisis like Cameron the Tory leader suggests however, they are partly to blame. For example, the 2001 Financial Services and Markets Act declares referring to the Financial Services Authority (FSA) that it is not "to discourage the launch of new financial products" while also encouraging it to not over regulate [2]. This just serves to highlight how the government helped to create an atmosphere that eventually lead to the economic crisis. Ironically, there are those in government that agree with this point in principle and those that don't including the prime minister.

Alistair Darling told the Telegraph that he believed ministers should show "humility" and a sense of "collective responsibility" for the economic crisis. Additionally, Ed Balls, a close ally of Gordon Brown stated that he thought the Government's regulations of the City weren't strong, claiming that "in retrospect, it is clear we were nowhere near tough enough". In sharp contrast to these views and a show of disunity amongst the highest levels of government the prime minister argued otherwise. He advocated that the economic crisis was the result of a "global banking failure" and not "British economic policy" [3].

It is quite evident that the government allowed and over saw a system that helped fuel an economic crisis that we are all now having to pay for. Of course the PM is not going to state that it was economic policy, after all they were policies initiated under his chancellorship.

Whatever the debate, the voters will have the final say - at the moment it appears they trust the Tories.

1) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6283241/Conservatives-more-trusted-than-Labour-on-economy.html

2) http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/46791,news-comment,news-politics,how-labours-faustian-pact-with-capitalism-led-to-the-financial-crisis-nick-cohen

3) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/gordon-brown/4936712/Gordon-Brown-refuses-to-apologise-for-economic-crisis.html

Niqo Adams

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21:44, 18 October 09

|

Karma Score: 34



2. Irresponsible Tories
# 1

Osborne's pension policy has staggering £3bn shortfall

Niqo Adams

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22:17, 18 October 09

|

Karma Score: 34



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