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27 Nov 2008
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DEBATE: THE ARMED FORCES SHOULD BE BANNED FROM RECRUITING IN SCHOOLS

The army has no place recruiting in schools. School children are vulnerable, their view of war come from make-believe movies and comic books. They have no idea about the horrors of war. Recruiting soldiers should be kept out of schools until the children are at least 16.





THE ARMED FORCES SHOULD BE BANNED FROM RECRUITING IN SCHOOLS


Children are vulnerable to influences


Children are susceptible to marketing that promotes something as fun, exciting and glamorous.

Because joining the Armed Forces represents a dangerous commitment to one's country, and they don't present it as such when marketing in schools, they should be banned.

No one can have escaped over the last few years the media attention on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. To think that children wouldn't know that the armed forces are dangerous is a naive and frankly ridiculous proposition.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Yes
Strongly Yes
Mostly Yes
Partially Yes
Neutral
Partially No
Mostly No
Strongly No
Absolutely No

THE ARMED FORCES SHOULD BE BANNED FROM RECRUITING IN SCHOOLS


Children are too young to decide for themselves


Why should the army be allowed to market themselves to children who are too young to buy alcohol, cigarettes or drive when joining the army is more dangerous than these three things? If we protect our children from the harmful effects of drugs, we should be protecting them from getting shot as well. Allowing one and not the other is hypocrisy - and since letting 16 year olds drink legally would be a less-than-sensible idea, we should ban the armed forces from recruiting in schools.

School-leavers are indeed old enough to decide upon a career path for themselves. They are free to join any job they wish, and the army is a legitimate career path for them to follow. To stop them from doing so, or learning about the great opportunities the armed forces presents, is to deny them the right to determine what they do with their lives.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Yes
Strongly Yes
Mostly Yes
Partially Yes
Neutral
Partially No
Mostly No
Strongly No
Absolutely No

THE ARMED FORCES SHOULD BE BANNED FROM RECRUITING IN SCHOOLS


The Armed Forces are less than honest


When giving presentations, the armed forces do not give the full picture, focusing more on humanitarian aid work than the incredibly dangerous job they do in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. When the danger is death or losing limbs in road-side bomb attacks, but this is being kept from potential recruits, the armed forces are trying to manipulate them. Who would join if they knew the full picture? For abusing the trust they are given when allowed to present to children, they should be banned.

As already noted, there is a wealth of information about how dangerous the armed forces are. Just because they don’t tell children themselves about how many soldiers have been killed or wounded in the past x years, doesn’t mean those children don’t know about it. Any recruiter will naturally present the best side of their organisation, but at least in the armed forces’ case, the darker side is right there in the national press every day.

In any case, arguing that children are unaware of the possibility of being injured in the armed forces is unreasonable. By the time they are eligible to join (currently 15 years 9 months at the very earliest) they will undoubtedly have had an adequate chance to consider all aspects of the career. No one should choose a career on a whim, so assuming they have thought about it at all, they will surely be aware of the fact that as a soldier you may very well be shot at and in the worst case killed or horrifically injured. I don’t think recruiters are inherently more dishonest than most other professions. What about fire fighters and police officers? Are those recruiters dishonest for not showing examples of where members of the profession have been injured?


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Yes
Strongly Yes
Mostly Yes
Partially Yes
Neutral
Partially No
Mostly No
Strongly No
Absolutely No

THE ARMED FORCES SHOULD BE BANNED FROM RECRUITING IN SCHOOLS


You wouldn't want al-Qaeda recruitment officers in your school, would you?


So why let the state try to recruit people to its gang there? (that includes the police as well)



THE ARMED FORCES SHOULD BE BANNED FROM RECRUITING IN SCHOOLS


Children are not stupid


Negative publicity can always be countered and manipulated. The way presentations are given makes people forget the bad press and focuses instead on all the benefits. Recruits always go in thinking that ‘it’ll never happen to me’, regardless of what they know about casualty figures. Teenagers/Young adults also get killed in car crashes which are also broadcast in the media. Yet they still believe that it won’t happen to them. One main thing I noticed that an army recruitment officer neglected to mention (as well as some from other areas) is the psychological damage they could potentially suffer.

The massive media attention on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has not gone unnoticed. Even young children know that British troops are dying and being wounded in these conflicts, so to suggest that they don't know what they're getting themselves into is a ridiculous idea. This is merely an example of the nanny state trying to interfere too much in the lives of its citizens.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Yes
Strongly Yes
Mostly Yes
Partially Yes
Neutral
Partially No
Mostly No
Strongly No
Absolutely No

THE ARMED FORCES SHOULD BE BANNED FROM RECRUITING IN SCHOOLS


The Armed Forces are a legitimate career option


It is exactly this vulnerable group of people we should be protecting. Actively targeting them is to take advantage of their socio-economic situation, patronising them because of where they live or how much money their parents earn. By suggesting that the army is one of the few career options that is open to them society runs the risk of losing out on potentially talented individuals who are sheperded into a vocation that does not actively improve society or their community. We should instead focus on raising their aspirations and increasing their opportunities by working with the communities in which they live to break the entire community out from a cycle of poverty.

The young men and women who join the army when leaving school at 16 are those from lower socio-economic backgrounds. Without the army to instil discipline and responsibility into these young people, there would be little else for them to do. They do not have many qualifications, and there is a statistical link between education and crime; without the army taking people off our streets and employing them for good - patrolling dangerous places, helping people across the world - they would be worse off.

Banning the army from schools would see a drop in recruitment in precisely the groups it helps, to the detriment of the army and young men and women.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Yes
Strongly Yes
Mostly Yes
Partially Yes
Neutral
Partially No
Mostly No
Strongly No
Absolutely No

THE ARMED FORCES SHOULD BE BANNED FROM RECRUITING IN SCHOOLS


The Armed Forces need recruits


The debate is not about whether or not the armed forces do good things - they do. It is about whether or not we should protect young, innocent children from being recruited when they do not know the full extent of what they are getting themselves into. While they may be deployed to protect minorities across the world from genocide, they may equally be deployed as part of a neo-conservative agenda to control the middle east, which is not so laudable.

Recruitment is already shrinking as a result of negative media attention over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is bad news for our country. Banning recruitment in schools would exacerbate this problem.

We need an army to maintain our role in the world as exporter of peace and democracy, as one of the few countries that seek actively to make the world a better place. Without brave young men and women to help this aid, millions of people across the world would find themselves living under repressive regimes, and without access to clean food and water.

Our armed forces are a benevolent force in the world. Banning recruitment in schools would damage their legitimate mission, and be a victory for our enemies.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Yes
Strongly Yes
Mostly Yes
Partially Yes
Neutral
Partially No
Mostly No
Strongly No
Absolutely No


Vote on the overall debate: The armed forces should be banned from recruiting in schools

What do you think?  Vote on this debate below.
Absolutely Yes
Strongly Yes
Mostly Yes
Partially Yes
Neutral
Partially No
Mostly No
Strongly No
Absolutely No
1. Children are vulnerable to influences
# 1

Children are susceptible to marketing that promotes something as fun, exciting and glamorous.

Because joining the Armed Forces represents a dangerous commitment to one's country, and they don't present it as such when marketing in schools, they should be banned.

dhc

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09:56, 29 March 08

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Karma Score: 1367


# 2

No one can have escaped over the last few years the media attention on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. To think that children wouldn't know that the armed forces are dangerous is a naive and frankly ridiculous proposition.

dhc

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09:56, 29 March 08

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Karma Score: 1367



2. Children are too young to decide for themselves
# 1

Why should the army be allowed to market themselves to children who are too young to buy alcohol, cigarettes or drive when joining the army is more dangerous than these three things? If we protect our children from the harmful effects of drugs, we should be protecting them from getting shot as well. Allowing one and not the other is hypocrisy - and since letting 16 year olds drink legally would be a less-than-sensible idea, we should ban the armed forces from recruiting in schools.

dhc

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09:59, 29 March 08

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Karma Score: 1367


# 2

School-leavers are indeed old enough to decide upon a career path for themselves. They are free to join any job they wish, and the army is a legitimate career path for them to follow. To stop them from doing so, or learning about the great opportunities the armed forces presents, is to deny them the right to determine what they do with their lives.

dhc

|

09:59, 29 March 08

|

Karma Score: 1367



3. The Armed Forces are less than honest
# 1

When giving presentations, the armed forces do not give the full picture, focusing more on humanitarian aid work than the incredibly dangerous job they do in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. When the danger is death or losing limbs in road-side bomb attacks, but this is being kept from potential recruits, the armed forces are trying to manipulate them. Who would join if they knew the full picture? For abusing the trust they are given when allowed to present to children, they should be banned.

dhc

|

10:01, 29 March 08

|

Karma Score: 1367


# 2

As already noted, there is a wealth of information about how dangerous the armed forces are. Just because they don’t tell children themselves about how many soldiers have been killed or wounded in the past x years, doesn’t mean those children don’t know about it. Any recruiter will naturally present the best side of their organisation, but at least in the armed forces’ case, the darker side is right there in the national press every day.

In any case, arguing that children are unaware of the possibility of being injured in the armed forces is unreasonable. By the time they are eligible to join (currently 15 years 9 months at the very earliest) they will undoubtedly have had an adequate chance to consider all aspects of the career. No one should choose a career on a whim, so assuming they have thought about it at all, they will surely be aware of the fact that as a soldier you may very well be shot at and in the worst case killed or horrifically injured. I don’t think recruiters are inherently more dishonest than most other professions. What about fire fighters and police officers? Are those recruiters dishonest for not showing examples of where members of the profession have been injured?

dhc

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10:01, 29 March 08

|

Karma Score: 1367



4. You wouldn't want al-Qaeda recruitment officers in your school, would you?
# 1

So why let the state try to recruit people to its gang there? (that includes the police as well)

admin

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19:06, 14 April 09

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Karma Score: 14



1. Children are not stupid
# 1

The massive media attention on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has not gone unnoticed. Even young children know that British troops are dying and being wounded in these conflicts, so to suggest that they don't know what they're getting themselves into is a ridiculous idea. This is merely an example of the nanny state trying to interfere too much in the lives of its citizens.

dhc

|

10:03, 29 March 08

|

Karma Score: 1367


# 2

Negative publicity can always be countered and manipulated. The way presentations are given makes people forget the bad press and focuses instead on all the benefits. Recruits always go in thinking that ‘it’ll never happen to me’, regardless of what they know about casualty figures. Teenagers/Young adults also get killed in car crashes which are also broadcast in the media. Yet they still believe that it won’t happen to them. One main thing I noticed that an army recruitment officer neglected to mention (as well as some from other areas) is the psychological damage they could potentially suffer.

dhc

|

10:03, 29 March 08

|

Karma Score: 1367



2. The Armed Forces are a legitimate career option
# 1

The young men and women who join the army when leaving school at 16 are those from lower socio-economic backgrounds. Without the army to instil discipline and responsibility into these young people, there would be little else for them to do. They do not have many qualifications, and there is a statistical link between education and crime; without the army taking people off our streets and employing them for good - patrolling dangerous places, helping people across the world - they would be worse off.

Banning the army from schools would see a drop in recruitment in precisely the groups it helps, to the detriment of the army and young men and women.

dhc

|

10:08, 29 March 08

|

Karma Score: 1367


# 2

It is exactly this vulnerable group of people we should be protecting. Actively targeting them is to take advantage of their socio-economic situation, patronising them because of where they live or how much money their parents earn. By suggesting that the army is one of the few career options that is open to them society runs the risk of losing out on potentially talented individuals who are sheperded into a vocation that does not actively improve society or their community. We should instead focus on raising their aspirations and increasing their opportunities by working with the communities in which they live to break the entire community out from a cycle of poverty.

dhc

|

10:08, 29 March 08

|

Karma Score: 1367



3. The Armed Forces need recruits
# 1

Recruitment is already shrinking as a result of negative media attention over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is bad news for our country. Banning recruitment in schools would exacerbate this problem.

We need an army to maintain our role in the world as exporter of peace and democracy, as one of the few countries that seek actively to make the world a better place. Without brave young men and women to help this aid, millions of people across the world would find themselves living under repressive regimes, and without access to clean food and water.

Our armed forces are a benevolent force in the world. Banning recruitment in schools would damage their legitimate mission, and be a victory for our enemies.

dhc

|

10:12, 29 March 08

|

Karma Score: 1367


# 2

The debate is not about whether or not the armed forces do good things - they do. It is about whether or not we should protect young, innocent children from being recruited when they do not know the full extent of what they are getting themselves into. While they may be deployed to protect minorities across the world from genocide, they may equally be deployed as part of a neo-conservative agenda to control the middle east, which is not so laudable.

dhc

|

10:12, 29 March 08

|

Karma Score: 1367



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